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Who was the kennewick man?

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    Posted: 13-Aug-2012 at 17:03
food for thought -
 
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"Lovelock and Spirit cave mummies. Over 9,000 years old, and Caucasoid. Located in same area where ancient Paiute Indian legends say the Paiutes “exterminated” a light skinned, red haired tribe who spoke a different language in ancient times"
 
 
so how does one "lay" claim to someone they "exterminated" as his ancestor -- ???? --- and the plot thickens --
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Originally posted by Explorer

food for thought -
 
following is a quote from
 
 
"Lovelock and Spirit cave mummies. Over 9,000 years old, and Caucasoid. Located in same area where ancient Paiute Indian legends say the Paiutes “exterminated” a light skinned, red haired tribe who spoke a different language in ancient times"
 
 
so how does one "lay" claim to someone they "exterminated" as his ancestor -- ???? --- and the plot thickens --
 
Doesn't matter in the end. As many of the Paiutes and numerous members of others tribes were and still remain not convinced of the effectiveness of NAGPRA, ARPA, and NMAIA for that matter. Insofar as it adequately addressed their cultural representation concerns. And for that matter many of them felt it was another example of a forced requirement even if one believes it adequately addressed their concerns versus the interests of Historians, Anthro's and other Social Sciences....who maintain it restricts research and study.
 
This like most of the controversies that led to the aforementioned laws is just another example of the tribe representing it's interests and positions to ensure they remain recognized.
 
 
Whether you or I believe the following, from the law, to be realistic remains moot.
 
"strike a balance between the interest in scientific examination of skeletal remains and the recognition that Native Americans, like people from every culture around the world, have a religious and spiritual reverence for the remains of their ancestors''
 
Recommend the following for those interested.
 
 
 
Repatriation Reader: Who Owns American Indian Remains?
 
 
 
 
 
 
www.public.asu.edu/~kintigh/KintighOnNAGPRA.pdf
 
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman


Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'

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  Quote Explorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Aug-2012 at 21:51
oh, given the history in the late 1800's and early 1900's with the smithsonian and their policy of collecting artifacts --- i believe the law was absolutely essential --- the thieves of native history are still at work in overtime --  but then that just complicates the picture even worse --
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Aug-2012 at 00:41
I don't think that cultural self-interest should trump scientific research. If these sorts of barriers keep going up, all we'll be able to do is surmise that Kennewick Man was the brother of Barbiewick Woman. Graves of "ancestors" who died thousands of years ago are not family relatives, whether Indians or non-Indians. Europeans are not going into paroxysms because archaeologists are digging up Viking or Anglo-Saxon burials. In the Muslim world, especially Saudi Arabia, there is an attempt by clerics to halt what they consider the digging up of "demon artifacts". One can see another kind of cultural self-interest combined with greed taking place in Egypt now that Zahi Hawass has been stripped of his job as head of archaeology. I understand that thieves are now running amok in Egypt and stealing anything from the ancient past that they can sell. I'm sure the Muslim Brotherhood, however, will put a very low priority on that particular subject.   
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  Quote Explorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Aug-2012 at 16:41
plot thickens --- Solutreans --- and Native Americans are having their DNA done --
 

Were Solutreans in Ancient America Egyptians?

Tuesday, June 19, 2012
 
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In DNA Consultants' Cherokee DNA study, "Anomalous Mitochondrial DNA Lineages in the Cherokee," as well as numerous blog posts since 2009, it was reported that haplogroups U, T, K, J, N, X and L are found in Cherokee descendants in frequencies mirroring those of Egypt.
 
 
 
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  Quote Explorer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Aug-2012 at 16:49
time to get out "Barry Fell" and the "ogham" script --- and some history has a hard death -- ie -- name one kid who hasn't heard about that "cherry tree" --- Tongue
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