Zahi Hawass fed up with Racial Politics and lies

Hawass has been rewriting history as he sees fit in all aspects of egyptology. Not just with blacks but with everything. Since he took over there has been little to show in the realm of archaeology in Egypt. Only himself and his men are allowed to excavate anything of interest and even those locations which we know are there he denies exist. If any speak up they are derided,belittled and ostracised. Hawass is the destroyer of Egypt not the saviour, his tactics remind me of the Taliban. Only his view is the right view all else is lies this is not right. Before you defend a liar you should look into his history. I would recommed starting at Dr Bakr and working up till the present time.

First, do you know people here is not necesarily "white", or European anglosaxons?

Edited by pinguin - 04-Apr-2009 at 14:42

I'd like to see Hawass address those issues's I presented better than what he has been doing. Since aparently he is the Over Lord of all that is in Egypt.

The Egyptians are apparently very sensitive about not being considered Black. Remember their outrage a few years ago when Lou Gosset Jr was chosen to play Anwar Sadat? But both men have basicly the same skin color.

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Nubian's aren't black. Unless you can show me evidence of a migration from West Africa at some point, they don't share any physical characteristics with West Africans so I don't see on what basis you are calling them black. Are you suggesting that just because there skin colour is darker than a European they are black? Or that just because they are from the African continent they are black? If you are that is incredibly uneducated. If a group of Tamils came and settled on Africa somewhere do they become black? Modern Nubians are called Arabs. Are Arabs black? If Nubians are black, and as we know Nubians are Arabs are Lebanese black? And if Lebanese are black then, based on skin colour, we can conclude that the English are black too. I mean, lets just invent some random labels and apply them to everyone while we're at it. 'Blacks' as used in modern language refer to west africans or people descendent from west africans, like Americans or West Indians. Nubians are not, and never have been related to west africans. It doesn't matter a rat's ass what their skin colour is.

Originally posted by Herr Weh The Egyptians are apparently very sensitive about not being considered Black. Remember their outrage a few years ago when Lou Gosset Jr was chosen to play Anwar Sadat? But both men have basicly the same skin color.

Why?

Just because 2 people have a similar skin tone it means that both are "Sub-Saharan" Africans?

You do realize that there are millions of people in Southern India that have the same skin tone?

This is getting very childish indeed.

Opuslola, you are right, that there was a lot of migration after the reign of Tutankhamun. But black slave like nubians were common in all eras. and if you speak about black slave deportation to Egypt in muslim days, you should also accept a "white" migration by Arabs, earlier by Persians, by Greeks and Romans.

Dear Bear and Moustafa!

Both good posts! There is some sadness when small details like "race" get into the way of real understanding. Technically any race is one that can interbreed with one another! Ipso facto, mankind is a "race", Chimpanzies are a "race", Gorillas, are a "race", etc.

It is almost enough for me to suggest that everyone would agree that everyone who has lived and reproduced in Africa (the continent) for over 1000 years (I.e. 1010 CE) should be considered as an original resident of Uganda! (Which is in central Africa, and I doubt one could be more "original African" than a Ugandan?)

Just bring in your family history chart, from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints, and we will annoint you as an "original African!" Chuckle!

Now, Moustafa, you also wrote; "There are scientific measures of the skull,nose and relationship between them that can identify the race of that dead person."

As to your claim above, I can plead ignorance! But, I do have some doubts about it! Variety in humans based upon the above measurements would not be enough to assure me of the skin colour of a corpse! But possibly you can provide us with such information that will convince me and others?

But, if one opinion counts for anything, I would side with the currently held opinion, that most of Ancient Egypt (From Thebes North) and possibly ancient Lybia, and other sections to the East, might well have looked more like modern Arabs or Syrians, etc., than modern Negroid (a old system name for sking colour, facial structures,and hair type, etc.) Africans!

Now you do not have to tell me that there also exists a lot of variety in Africa between the various dark skinned inhabitants there of! I realize that, but in the most general consideration, most light skinned humans, have a very good idea what some one looks like, who can be considered as a Dark Skinned African!

Now, I am not sure that I could determine a Dark Skinned native of Australian from a Dark Skinned African, but in general, I feel I could see the difference between a Dark Skinned African and a Dark Skinned Indian (Dravadian) and the African!

But, maybe that is because I have always lived with Dark Skinned Africans of differing mixtures with other persons with differing skin colours? I.e., Dark Skinned Africans mixed with N. American Indians (Native Americans), or Scots, or English, or French, or Dutch, etc.!

Perhaps I have certain recognition abilities as a result of my life in such a society? Or, perhaps not?

But, can I tell if an Ancient Egyptian, only by drawings / paintings, bas-reliefs, and other types of reliefs, etc., from someone from Nigeria, or Congo, or ?

I think I can! But maybe I am only that little steam engine?

Regards,

Balsbanpasa! Perhaps you have had too much tea? Or Hashish? In either case you perhaps know so little, about so much, that it is indeed a happy time, that you have only made two posts!

"The Word!" knows!



Edited by opuslola - 19-Jan-2010 at 17:11

what means african sounding? Are Egyptians no Africans? Do you think they sound more Bantu or more Khoisan or more.......?

Edited by beorna - 20-Jan-2010 at 09:00