Russian Rapes in Germany '44-45

Dear Sparten, haven't we already had a very painful discussion about this here?

Edited by Sarmat12 - 05-Sep-2007 at 16:15

Yes, may be they did. But what was the scale of it in Poland? Any statistics? For sure, it was much minor scale than in Germany. And can be attributed to the usual crime rate.

Edited by Sarmat12 - 06-Sep-2007 at 00:33

Dear Emperor,

Yes keep the language down!

Edited by Sparten - 06-Sep-2007 at 00:51

Sorry, I don't get it. Where I brought nationality into the discussion?

 Yeah, I think you indeed forsee what MIGHT happen. To be honest, I didn't have plans of atacking ataman for his ethnic background and don't think he would do that either.

Originally posted by Sarmat12 Yes, may be they did. But what was the scale of it in Poland? Any statistics?

That's why the wars, beside their predominant negative effect on the mankind have some positive features. Citing Jaroslav Hasek in his novel "The Good Soldier Svejk" - the wars prevent human degradation, by enriching the gene pool of the relatively isolated populations (separeted by the distance, borders, racial and social prejudices as well as other artificial from biological point of view barriers). Thus the wars, usually connected with the presence of large numbers of single males in reproductive age (and the absence of local males, who are also gone to war), separated from their natural social lives, and possessing a power over the local civilian population, are as a rule leading to sexual relations with the local females (willing or not). So all goes to the winner.
However, some people try to present that such features belonged only to the Soviet army, which is far from reality, and is mostly connected with the western propaganda in post-war West Germany (aka we are the real "liberators", they're a bunch of murderers and rapists).

Originally posted by Sparten Yes keep the language down!   As for the scale of the rapes, well I have doubts on the sheer numbers. 3 Million rapes? 3 million is about 6 Army Groups, as many as entered Germany in '45. Mass rapes by their natue mean that the discipline broke down, and this being in Prussia, where some of the most bitter battles of the war (and history) were fought. I really think the Sovs would have been hard pressed to achieve their victories if all their maon formations were busy "having fun".

 

I think the number is more like 2,000,000 rapes. As far as discipline goes, the Soviets had had problems with that throughout the war. While the front-line formations generally behaved OK and maintained a high esprit-du-corps, it was the rear-echelon formations of mainly Asiatics (without wanting to sound racist) that wreaked havoc among the civilians. I've mentioned this on another thread but it is characteristic of them that they had not seen toilets before they entered Germany and, not knowing how to flush them, they simply kicked them in in order to empty them. I can't imagine how they behaved towards tall, blond, beautiful German women and girls.

Right, Beylerbeyi.