Did Israel attack the US with Chertoff?

All I'm saying Konstantinius is that Israels support in the US goes beyond the neo-cons and the Jewish American lobby. These ties go back way past 25 years. These ties started at the beginning of the cold war, when Israel was one of the only democracies in the area, it is only natural then for the US (the top democracy) to support her (Israel). I also never stated that US foreign policy hasn't been shaped bu the J-A Lobby. I have however stated that there is no proof that Chertoff aided in any espionage conspiracy conducted by Israel. Chertoff's connection to this "spy ring" is what the article is about. If the larger implications and associations concern you, wonderful, that's your perogative. However as a US citizen I am more concerned about the fleeting personal rights that we enjoy, these have nothing to do with the Jewish - American Lobby and more to do with the powerful wanting to keep power beyond that which the Constitution grants them. That is more of an afront to freedom than the Jewish-American Lobby is. I respect your opinion, and think I have been respectful in my responses to your opinion, just as the reverse is true. I however respectfully disagree with your view of the situation. And to be quite honest I really don't care if you criticize Israel or the US relationship with Israel but don't blame the entire relationship on the Jewish Lobby, the situation is far more complicated than that response shows.

You can call all you want for peaceful solutions in the area but if the parties aren't willing to execute these solutions then calling for them is useless. Last time I checked there was a call for a 2 state system in the infamous "Road Map to Peace," an agreement facilitated by a neo-con president and administration. I really think that at the core of both our arguments is the same theme. No country should garner special interest and status from our gov't. Where we differ is concerning the matter of the Jewish-American Lobby's influence on US foreign policy. I don't argue that the J-A Lobby has an influence on foreign policy but I will argue that they have as much pull as you say they do. The US will never attack Iran (at least not in the next 20 years) regardless of how much the J-A Lobby might want them to. Furthermore I don't remember reading anything saying that the J-A Lobby want a war with Iran. Do you have a source for this?

Just to stress my point, i'd like to refer to the Congress Resolution passed last week which classified the Republican Guard of Iran as a terrorist organization. This was put forth by Joe Lieberman at the exclusive urging of the Jewish-American Council. This resolution has nothing to do with the interest of the US and if anything will deteriorate an already tense situation.   

No, I don't have proof. I heard it on NPR which I deem as a reputable source. By the way, the way these things happen, you are not going to see the sponsors advertised as if it were a sports contest. The continuing deterioration of US-Iran relations is to the long-term detriment of the US, not Israel. So it just doesn't make sense to antagonize in such ineffectual way someone who could be doing something to decrease the killing your troops, at least the part they can control.