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Poll Question: Were the Winged Hussars the best cavalry untis in the time period?
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    Posted: 18-Nov-2004 at 01:38
Originally posted by cavalry4ever

First appearance of hussars dates to 1514 at the battle of Orsza.

No. First time hussars in polish service are registred in 1500. One or two banners of hussars were present also at Kleck (1506)

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  Quote cavalry4ever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Nov-2004 at 09:33
Originally posted by TJK

Originally posted by cavalry4ever

First appearance of hussars dates to 1514 at the battle of Orsza.

No. First time hussars in polish service are registred in 1500. One or two banners of hussars were present also at Kleck (1506)

Thanks. It is worth pointing out that Polish hussars were an army formation that managed to stay undefeated for more than a century. First defeat will be at Gniew in 1626.

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  Quote Sarmata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Dec-2004 at 00:41
I agree that Husaria was the best cavalry of Europe during renaissance, but I'd also like to say that if you look at Polish History, almost ever cavalry regiment we had was great in it's own way, even when Partitioned during the Napoleonic wars, The Ulans and Szwolezery made glorious achievements defeating British redcoats 2 out of 3 times, and Somosierra a daring charge that even Napoleon had to reward by moving them up straight form young guard to Old guard, skipping middle guard. praising them as his bravest soldiers, and he acctually made a statement , can tell you the source now, Id have to check, but he said "nothing is impossible for my Poles". also the Lisowczycy light cavalry similar looking to cossacks, they were ruthless regiment that evryone in europe recognized, led by Aleksander Lisowski, here's more... http://www.signum-polonicum.com.pl/strona1.html (in Polish)
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-May-2005 at 12:30
hmmm......      Lonely hussar riding across the "wild steppe" it was the beautiful time.
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  Quote Sarmata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-May-2005 at 13:09
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  Quote Nagyfejedelem Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Aug-2005 at 15:01

About huszrs:

Huszr is a Hungarian word means horsemen. The origin of the word is Hungarian 'hsz' (twenty). Emperor Sigismund who was the king of Hungary at the same time had a military reform, so Hungarian nobles gave a horsemen after twenty peason family. After death of Sigismund his military reform was deleted by Hungarian nobles. First huszrs were Serbians who escaped into Hungary and Hungarian kings orgonised cavelries from them. At least in the 16th century huszrs were mainly Hungarins. Some huszr cavalries fought against the Ottoman Turks and in the war of Smalkalden with the Habsburgs. After that Poland became the land of huszrs. Firstly, Stefan Bthory, prince of Transylvania was elected by Polish and he became a a popular king. He made military reform and Hungarian huszrs fought with Polish versus Russia. Secondly, the relationship beetwen Hungary and Poland was very good. Hungarian huszrs migrated into Poland in the 17th century after end of wars against Turks.

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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Aug-2005 at 15:09

And it stated that??

Anyways, Hussars defeated infantry battalions cause they had longer lances, some say that up to 6 metres.

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  Quote Emperor Barbarossa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Aug-2005 at 15:14
Originally posted by rider

battle of Vienna 1683 (hopefully) with Jan Sobieski to finish of Turks...

Yes, I was going to mention this battle. From the account I read, the Tatars may have made a match for the Hussars but they got angry that the Turkish commander would not let them charge the Polish on their flank when they were in the forests around Vienna. The Hussar charge totally destroyed the Turks and finished their large army in one night, which really the battle should have taken two. The Hussars were definitely heavily armed warriors, with a currais and if they were not very great, then why did the other countries of Europe, who had fought so hard to erase Poland from the map, beg for them to aid them against the Turks?

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  Quote Sarmata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Aug-2005 at 19:23
Hussar comes from not a Hungarian origin but a Serbian one does it not? "The hussar originated in Serbia towards the end of the 14 the century. There are references to hussars in Poland in treasury registers of 1500, though they were probably in Polish service before this date. These early formations were foreign mercenaries. first known as Racowie, from the term Rascia, 'Serbia', from the original center of the Serbian state, Ras. The term 'hussar' probabaly originates not - as has een widely published - from any contrived connections with Hungarian husz meaning 'twenty', but from gussar, a Slavonic word meaning 'bandit'" - Polish Armies 1569-1696
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2005 at 04:10

I belive that a little more. What wiki says? Wait:

The word hussar (pronounced huh-ZAR, huh-SAR, or hoo-ZAR; IPA: [hʊ'zr]) probably derives from Serbian gusar ("highwayman", or brigand), a type of flamboyant 15th century cavalryman.

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  Quote Nagyfejedelem Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2005 at 04:25

I think huszr is a Hungarian word after Sigismunds military reform but the first huszrs were really Serbians. Because of this huszr maybe had a Serb etimology.

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  Quote Nagyfejedelem Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2005 at 04:30
All in all, huszrs were the best horsemen in Europe. I know about huszrs in Austro-Hungarian, Polish, Russian, Prussian and French armies.
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  Quote Sarmata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2005 at 17:23
In Poland after the heavy cavalry wingged Hussars, the other hssar regiments never really layed too big a role in Poland's army. After durin Napoleonic era and after while most army's used Husars for light cavalry Poland create the Uhlan regiment. The origin of this regiment comes from Polish tatars. The Polish word "ułan" comes from the tatar word "oglan" meaning skilled warrior.
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2005 at 06:43
YOu say they didn't play a role? What did - infantry??

The hussars and dragoons made up the backbone of Polish Heavy Cavalry and with it the whole army.
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  Quote Kenaney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2005 at 12:14

Originally posted by Sarmata

In Poland after the heavy cavalry wingged Hussars, the other hssar regiments never really layed too big a role in Poland's army. After durin Napoleonic era and after while most army's used Husars for light cavalry Poland create the Uhlan regiment. The origin of this regiment comes from Polish tatars. The Polish word "uan" comes from the tatar word "oglan" meaning skilled warrior.

Oglan/oghlan actually means son or guy, it can be that tatars used that word for another meaning.

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  Quote Sarmata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2005 at 15:02
Originally posted by rider

YOu say they didn't play a role? What did - infantry??

The hussars and dragoons made up the backbone of Polish Heavy Cavalry and with it the whole army.



Im not saying they didnt play a role at all, Im saying during the 18th-19th century the Wingged Hussars weren't around as muhc anymore and during 19th century the Uhlans took their place. While in other parts of Europe the cavalry sually consisted of light cavalry hussars, in Poland the Uhlans were the backbone of the army. Again Im saying this was in the 19th century anytime before the wingged hussars were the backbone of the Polisharmies like rider said.
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2005 at 16:29
Ah, i thoguht you were mentioning the 16th and 17th armies, srry, my bad.
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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Aug-2005 at 16:55
Originally posted by Kenaney

Oglan/oghlan actually means son or guy, it can be that tatars used that word for another meaning.

yes, Ohlan was the name for a member of the usually lance-carrying tatar nobility.

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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Aug-2005 at 14:44

Originally posted by Sarmata


Im not saying they didnt play a role at all, Im saying during the 18th-19th century the Wingged Hussars weren't around as muhc anymore and during 19th century the Uhlans took their place. While in other parts of Europe the cavalry sually consisted of light cavalry hussars, in Poland the Uhlans were the backbone of the army. Again Im saying this was in the 19th century anytime before the wingged hussars were the backbone of the Polisharmies like rider said.

Ulhans already took their place in the 18th century. And also Saxony in times of union with Poland employed many regiments of ulhans. First it were Tartars, next Poles modeled after Tartars.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Oct-2005 at 16:37
I think Polish Hussars was best in world between 1514 (first battle of hussars in painting - 'battle of Orsza')- 168x (few years latter than Vien battle). At the turn of 17 and 18 centuries polish hussaria is turning tho downhill... reason ? Although by 18th century their importance was diminished by the introduction of modern infantry firearms and quick-firing artillery, the Polish hussars' tactics and armament remained almost unchanged.

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