Battle at Kosovo Polje/Kosovo Field; 1389

miki please translate anything you post into English. This is an English speaking forum and English is the common language of communication used here.

I liken Kosovo to the Battle for Gallipoli in 1915. Although it ended in defeat for both enemies of the Ottomans, to those who fought there it was crucial in forming a national identity.

Edited by kurt - 25-May-2007 at 09:10

Originally posted by kurt boy, your nationalistic jargon sure is typical. bulgaria, greece and serbs were ... doomed? from what i gather, they're still here today, in spite of four hundred years of subjugation. it's almost as if ottoman rule wasn't as devastating as balkan nationalists like to claim. conquered, yes, doomed, no. i suggest you research something called the millet system. � though some questions i asked previously remain unanswered, i have some more questions for you. why is the battle known as the battle of kosovo polje? where does that last term 'polje' come from? is it a slavic word? what does it mean? � the question i'm most interested in, is: how did the battle progress? what tactics did they employ? what exactly happened on the field? from what i've read after the battle both sides were claiming victory, so i'm�suspecting �there isn't too much information on this.

Saying doomed i meant that they were doomed to be conquered not to be exterminated.

Why the Scots untill nowdays honours William Wallace?Take a little surf trough the net and you will find out why we still honoured Milos ...

Originally posted by Kapikulu Originally posted by miki015 Why the Scots untill nowdays honours William Wallace?Take a little surf trough the net and you will find out why we still honoured Milos ...   I can understand why Serbs like Milos so much, but those two have a totally different story..One was a great leader,soldier and a freedom fighter while the other one has on famous for killing the leader of the opposite side in a battle

Kapikulu,it depends from wich side you are loking to the point...Milosh has done a heroic thing,something that no one has done before him...

I would have thought that Lazar would be the Serbian equivilent of William Wallace. Certainly, he lost, but in terms of putting up an heroic fight there is plenty of comparison.

I think Timur e Leng's army was stronger than Osmanli.

Well, nobody is William Wallace but himself, stay in the topic.

The most annoying thing here is that everybody is talking of some Hungaro-croat army and Bosnian army.
Point is that Hungaro-croat army was 200 crusaders strong!
Point is that Bosnian army was Serb army also!

You think when you read wiki that you know everything.

Only that is sure for this battle is that Serbs was outnumbered 2 by 1, that it was mainly Serbian army, that is was great sacrifise from the Serbian nobles.
Aftermath was devastated armies from both sides. Both leaders was dead, none knows how they died. Turks will say that Murad was killed in assasination ofcourse. They will not admit if he was killed in combat with Lazar's center.
Turks retreted after battle to their capital. Bayazid killed his own brother becouse of the trone right after the battle.

Serbs was asking for help from all Europian people but allmost noone came.
Yes we have traitors and cowards like every nation and they was on Turks side. That was the downfall of our empire.
But we made sacrifice that marked us for eternety.

At the end, we could just let them trough Serbia like some nations did.  No, we wanted to fight for our freedom!

Originally posted by feanor11985 The most annoying thing here is that everybody is talking of some Hungaro-croat army and Bosnian army. Point is that Hungaro-croat army was 200 crusaders strong! Point is that Bosnian army was Serb army also! You think when you read wiki that you know everything. Only that is sure for this battle is that Serbs was outnumbered 2 by 1, that it was mainly Serbian army, that is was great sacrifise from the Serbian nobles. Aftermath was devastated armies from both sides. Both leaders was dead, none knows how they died. Turks will say that Murad was killed in assasination ofcourse. They will not admit if he was killed in combat with Lazar's center. Turks retreted after battle to their capital. Bayazid killed his own brother becouse of the trone right after the battle. Serbs was asking for help from all Europian people but allmost noone came. Yes we have traitors and cowards like every nation and they was on Turks side. That was the downfall of our empire. But we made sacrifice that marked us for eternety. At the end, we could just let them trough Serbia like some nations did.  No, we wanted to fight for our freedom!