The Battle of Gallipoli - who won?

What If russia did not fall to communism? Most Probably If Ottoman failed to early, Russia would not become communist.

If we're to stick with the question, my vote goes to an Ottoman victory. No matter what the cost to the turks, they failed the allied plan of achieving their strategic aims.  

The thread asks 'who won the battle of gallipolli'?

Part of the reason the ANZACs were sent to Gallipoli is that they were practically all new recruits, the Turks were seen as a softer target for them to practice on first rather than the highly professional Germans. Plus, the ANZACs were expected to be better adapted to the hot conditions in which they would be fighting the Turks. Plus the simple fact that Egypt was the ANZACs training ground, located conveniently close to the Ottoman Empire.

Originally posted by Kapikulu 3-Russia would be supplied, yeah, and Tsarist regime might have been successful and it is much serious as that we might not have seen the October Revolution.   Would have an effect that would change the 20th century history as a whole.

Now, thats some stratagic victory

Well. Firstly the Turks won.

Secondly, this operation was meaningless in strategic sense. In fact, Russia didn't need those "supplies"

The aim of the operation was more cunning than it seems. Churchil, who was the author of the whole plan, simply wanted to get his hands first on the straits between the Black sea and Mideterranean.

Although according Entente agreement, Russia was supposed to get the straits after victory of the allies, Britain didn't want it to happened due to the long historic suspicion about the real Russian intentions.

British simply thought that with their army stationed in Constantinopole after the victory, they will have better postion for the renegotiation of the original terms of Entente agreement in their favor.

The fail of Galliopoli was actually the biggest fail of Winstone Churchil ever, since a lot of lives and resources were lost for nothing

No, No, No.

It was a mistake by Churchill (as much as I admire him) and the allies, for all their bravery, got beaten in that they failed to achieve a result. As for planning a major troop ship got sunk by a mine because the minesweeper was sailing behind and not in front.

It would have been cheaper to go the table, negotiate and have paid the Turks to let the fleet sail through. But that is using hindsight. Eventually the talented Kemal Ataturk who had commanded the Turkish resistance came into power. The Ottoman Empire collapsed but he saved Turkish dignity and led the country into years of peace and prosperity

Originally posted by elenos It was a mistake by Churchill (as much as I admire him) and the allies, for all their bravery, got beaten in that they failed to achieve a result.

Of course the Turks won, they were unprepared but it doesn't take much thought in order to realize if the Dardanelles Straits are taken your done. The Turks used heavy German weapons and machine guns to beat back Allied attacks on their fronts. The Allies practically landed on cliffs make their men easy target for Turkish snipers and heavy artillery. It's like America not taking Japan seriously and going straight for Tokyo, the plan is doomed from the start. The Allies failed to realize two major things: 1. Turks using modern German weapons and 2. The location of which the Allies were trying to land.

I found a documentary from the Allies perspective (apologies hyperlink doesn't work):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR5uHmoUReQ
(Battle of Gallipoli - Part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0kvxTzHtzg
(Battle of Gallipoli - Part 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85uj9jpCp24
(Battle of Gallipoli - Part 3)






Edited by andrew - 25-Jun-2007 at 10:31