United States of Europe...?

Hi there, it is known that in the past Europe had great wars, kings, emperors... a huge amount of independent nations... and what about he future? Will we gonna be the new "United States of Europe"....?

What do you think about that...?

p.s. - I hope so!

Absolutely not. I believe Europe should be even more divided, as the current political borders do not satisfy the people living in them. I support all peaceful political movements in Europe, and still believe in an Europe made not of states, but of nations.

All the Ancient Empires perished.

Reply to p.s. - Cruzes credo, claro que n�o. Em geral n�o sou de direita.

Originally posted by xristar http://www.e-f-a.org/kaartje.php Really? And tell me why is supposed greek Macedonia to be handed over to Fyrom? Have you ever been here? Do you know the situation. I inform you that in fact OUR borders should go to the north. Where are the Greeks of FYROM and Albania? THe designer of this map should be more responsible and not susceptible only to propaganda.   Seriously now, that's an example on why you can't simply say that new national states should emerge. It's like asking for a new WWI. What we want as a future of the EU is ONE state, MANY nations.  I do not want to lose my language and speak English (or French or German) instead. As it happened in the USA.

Originally posted by xristar http://www.e-f-a.org/kaartje.php Really? And tell me why is supposed greek Macedonia to be handed over to Fyrom? Have you ever been here? Do you know the situation. I inform you that in fact OUR borders should go to the north. Where are the Greeks of FYROM and Albania? THe designer of this map should be more responsible and not susceptible only to propaganda.   Seriously now, that's an example on why you can't simply say that new national states should emerge. It's like asking for a new WWI. What we want as a future of the EU is ONE state, MANY nations.  I do not want to lose my language and speak English (or French or German) instead. As it happened in the USA.

The EU is basicly a Confederation, and so is NATO, really. And looking at it that way, you can be nations united and still retain your culture and language.

Originally posted by Frederick Roger Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy The EU is basicly a Confederation, and so is NATO, really. And looking at it that way, you can be nations united and still retain your culture and language. Just because your united doesn't mean you have to be like the US as a Federation.   We know that, and that's the way we like it. But this "confederation" is pushing a lot towards becoming a "federation", something I personaly do not want to see.

A very visible sign of how The United States of Europe is still very very far off is the Spanish company Accionia being bought by a smaller spanish company instead of being taken over by E.On a German corporate giant. Politics has played a very big hand on this one

I doubt.Europe cannot become a Federation,like the US ,because even though we are all Europeans ,you can still find great language ,customary  etc differences among the different nations.In the US case,you have people of multiple origins ,but they were all in the same economical and social status (Colonial Status) .In Europe there are vast differences.Hellas is in a different economical ,social and political status from Great Britain and Norway.The same for Spain and Poland.In Europe there are 2 speeds.The strong States and the others who want to reach them.You cannot have a federation with that.Low economical and socials status feeds nationalism.And nationalism destroys any step for unification.

Also ,in the US case,you have Colonials who occupied a territory which ,originally,belonged to the natives.In Europe ,everybody say that they are there since the Ancient Years.Everybody have rights on the land since everybody where always there.

Moreover,you have a devastating past of blood set,which remains still strong(for example Balkan nationalism.).


Edited by Spartakus - 11-Apr-2007 at 16:03