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    Posted: 27-Jan-2006 at 17:47
This thread is just another round on what seems to be the favorite debate for a lot of members in tis Forum: "East vs West: who's the best?".
This time the purpose is to know who was the biggest butcher of humans: if someone from the West (Hitler) or if someone from the East (Genghis).
The West says Genghis, the East and the politically correct troop of the West say Hitler.
Is this all you can do with History?
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Originally posted by Constantine XI

Originally posted by Detective

Originally posted by Alkiviades

Alexander HAD conquered the world.

Really?   

What the Greeks considered the "known" or "civilised" world. By modern standards it would be like conquering everything except Greenland, Siberia, Canada and Antarctica.

  Genghis Qaan's "world" was much wider than that of Alexander's.   Moreover, was Alex the Gay in China?   Or do you think that China didn't belong to the "civilized" world?  

 

PS: It is senseless to compare Genghis, the oceanic Qaan with Alex the Gay. 



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Originally posted by BigL

You guys dont understand Genghis Khan was completely non racist like hitler, He was destined to take over the world he had to take over by any means possible.

In fact Genghis was open to all cultures and religions this is why he has philosphical talks with monks of china ,and develops spiritually in his life



True but the Mongols practiced another form of discriminatory mass slaughter. They utterly hated the peasant classes, reviling them as lowly animals that scratched an existence from the dirt. Such people were worthless compared to the proud steppe horsemen. Consequently they were inclined to massacre them with little provocation or reason. Such a thing was especially terrible in an age and place where most people just so happened to be peasantry.
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You guys dont understand Genghis Khan was completely non racist like hitler, He was destined to take over the world he had to take over by any means possible.

In fact Genghis was open to all cultures and religions this is why he has philosphical talks with monks of china ,and develops spiritually in his life
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Originally posted by flyingzone

Wow, you are putting Canada in the same category as Greenland, Siberia, and Antarctica!!!!

You should be happy, that means you'd be overlooked and not conquered.
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Originally posted by flyingzone

Wow, you are putting Canada in the same category as Greenland, Siberia, and Antarctica!!!!

It's big and cold and sparsely populated . I would put Australia in there too, but it DEFINITELY is not cold here. Has hit 40 degrees here 3 times in 6 days .
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Wow, you are putting Canada in the same category as Greenland, Siberia, and Antarctica!!!!
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Originally posted by Detective

Originally posted by Alkiviades

Alexander HAD conquered the world.

Really?   

What the Greeks considered the "known" or "civilised" world. By modern standards it would be like conquering everything except Greenland, Siberia, Canada and Antarctica.
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Originally posted by Alkiviades

Alexander HAD conquered the world.

Really?   
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Jeez, Brian, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!

At least one person on the group has a sense of humour. I was getting
worried. I've only been back five minutes (having finally managed to
conquer the deadly CompuServe in hand-to-hand combat) and I'm starting to
feel like a leper already. Maybe I should start  plastering "DANGER!! IRONY
ALERT!!" over all my messages.

believe it was the Mongolian Genghis Khan who conquered China and Russia
and installed Chinese as bureaucrats to help the Mongols govern Russia for a
time...

I believe the German-governed BRITISH (not the people of Great Britain but
the rich guys who by-passed so many worthies to find their first King George
over in Hanover) governed/explored Russia via the Germans...

I believe further that it was the British/German/Russian Royal Family that
sold the once German-governed-British-governed newly "independent" Americans
some major real estate...

 

 



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Ontopic; I think there where more cruelity outside Chingiz and Hitler, remember the Inca's, Timurlenk, alexander the Gay (sorry a jk), julius Ceasar, etc etc



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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 11:49
the line between genius and well lets say being a total psychopath is very thin.
I agree with you all the way. genghis khan is a legend. but he was cruel its good to cruel I think when it comes to to these things. I've got no respect voor Hittler & i've got nothing BUT respect for the great KHAN.
but what a wanted to point out was that in history there is no wrong or right only victory or defeat.


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Nice first post there gisele..... 

Anyway about khan.... the fact is he was a military genius, and thats why i respect him, and well hitler was.... lets say crazy.....
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 11:08
excuse me but i think this is all bull. the only reason why people admire genghis khan & not hittler is because hittler lost the war ,had hittler won the war he would be a heroe. Sad as it is history only loves winners.


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sadly enough, i believe there are. fortunatly none on this forum(that i know of) and not many where i live, but they do exist

I can`t think of the reason why they love Hitler, but i would say They are crazy
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i don't talk of myself in third person
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Ok, I'll stop talking about Alexander. Now let's move on to Chinggiz:

Chinggiz did not depopulate Asia. Do you have evidence to quantify the actual population decrease?

Some comparisons.
1. Barbarian conquest depopulated the Western Roman Empire far more than Mongol conquest did to China. Civilization "collapsed" in western europe. Civlization did not collapse in China due to Mongols.

2. When the Han Empire collapsed, heavy warfare ensued and population declined 40-50%. This amount was greater than the amount of population decline due to Mongol Conquest.

3. Julius Caesar slaughtered 1/3 of Gaul's population and enslaved another 1/3. According to Paul Rat..(long russian name), the Jin Empire lost about 20 million of its 70 million inhabitants during mongol conquest, a percentage smaller than 1/3.

yeah, how come you dare comparing Alexander the civilized greek to that slanted-eye subhuman barbarian called Chingis...

Lol I like how you used "Chingis" and not "Iron"-mujin


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yeah, how come you dare comparing Alexander the civilized greek to that slanted-eye subhuman barbarian called Chingis...

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