Lions vs. Tigers

..you could look up/contact the involved research site..

Or even the big game hunting trophy record entry as

submitted by the dirty dentist, since he'd be proud of his 'achievement' - given that poor

bloody Cecil was touted as one of Africa's largest lions..

Moron is a term once used in psychology to denote mild intellectual disability.^[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)

 

Nah, that doesnt describe me, that describes you. This radiates with the true definition of moron:

 

Even though pckts aka you, has shut it down in pure shame of how well the Leones team has pulverised the tigresa's team in terms of compiling facts...the true moron who thought he could fool the world with repeats, fakes and comedical BS. Yes, Bs, like how they came from yet another one of your blogs:

 

lol Its already been stated on this site, you have hundreds of those type of blogs, almost 100% of those blogs have not the first hand source to it and have been proven to be second hand falsified information or stuff el pckts aka you have made up from thin air. Awww, no year to this article, no source of a reputable news archive for further confirmation, no names, location? lol Right then. Nice proving your self to be the true moron, sounds like a rip off of the sleeping lioness one added in with newer content, much like castro did on her article of that same fight via calcutta.

 

Since you brand me as a lion fan with truth, thence I still find it puzzling how tiger fans can go out on a limb and lie to such an extant, you all have stated your selves to have the tiger as a god, the best and your top favorite animal more times than I can count (or prefer to count that high for no reason lol) Me, on the other hand just show case what most others state, I dont think the lion is the best of all predators, is a godly emblem, or even my favorite animal, my favorite animal is the shire horse, followed by wolves, and other animals.

 

I dont go out of my way for anything, I unlike most, just utilized my time to be direct, to the point, gather info that protains specifically to the asked question, and slipped my mind? lol Me and bold recently stated we are gona eventually get the info on ankara, statements from the keepers (who would need to be translated from Turkish languages, since its not in the U.S or english both who are nortorious for giving out incorrect translations, we'll get not only the quotes, but names, photos and more ect, I get most of my stuff either by the source or the next best thing.

 

You have zero respect for the lion, or you wouldnt have gone to the trouble of faking all those crap you did...I actually know of more tiger killing lions than any one on yuku and carnivora, more than peter, perault, wildfact, pckts/you.....combined....why havent I posted it? Because your site jackjacksonj, yuku, carnivora, the countless of videos, forums, blogs, hacking, lieing and being straight up f**king stupid cowardly people about it all. Even with my knowledge of tiger killing lion accounts past probably double anything has ever been posted on the web, I still know of more accounts of lions beating and killing tigers more...my gut tells me theres more, countless more.

 

But as you can see of my absence, I do not have the time at the moment, too busy. As for the tiger/lion accounts and experts followed by artifacts, name one single historian, one single biologist, one single any P.hd occupation on the entire planet that has brought forth more in those specific catagories (the defineing answers to who would win) than what me, lion crest, leofwin, bold have gathered?...Just one? Or in fact a collection of universitys? You have none that can challange it, just fairy fan boys like your self repeating the same garbage that has been repeated over a million+ times, the hypocrisy:

 

...Lies in the contradicted evidence you tiger fans compare to whats on hand with what people who care for the truth have as lion crest showed:

http://wildanimalwarfare.yuku.com/topic/6#.VabquPmPNi4

 

Did I ever say a tiger cant kill a lion? No. But the fact in the matter is, I did not (yet) post all tiger accounts that I know of because you tiger fans, which shouldnt even be called that, since by lieing over the tiger doesnt benefit, commend or speaks any high level of him, it actually distains, demotes and spoils his already bad reputation of his sly, cowardly, deceving qualitys, (like how much jackjacksonjs site quality of its objective adopted towards.) lieng and deceving, theres no sense in why I should aid people who have ulterior motives. My entire posts has nothing personally to do with the animals as entitys, but has everything to do with the (human) debate it self to reach a truthful and factual verdict. As some will say, its not personal its just buisness, I would say to that and to all, its about the facts, the fact is, you tiger fans couldnt even be truthful from the start, middle and ending, and still cant, lets see you face the truth and start from scratch then, make your own list of death accounts of tigers killing lions, (no lies, fakes, repeats, and the usaual B.S in chronological order) your own list of experts (who have experinced, witnessed or has a valid credability) and artifacts with all three catagories rangeing from the different walks of occupations, cultures ect. (no need for this skip around, bluffing, thousand post repeat of how there is more in list form, just to post bits and peices of one or two accounts and act like you are trying to be truthful).

 

You cant, hence you will go no where with the debate, your repeats and fakes will never be pulblished off the internet on recent modern science-biology books, and be the only ones wasting time, contradicting yourselves and being hypocrites, and puh-leeze... conservation? lol How many cash of the thousands have you poured into saving these animals? My guess is zero, how many hours, of months an years have you have hands on in rescuing these animals? My guess is zero, posting one or two post on the internet bashing hunters, or accidents isnt conservation, I dont pretend to be anything I'm not, I support conservation, but I dont need to obscure the motives like you tiger fans who just wanna get in a obscuring, derailing and fail post in how the tiger is the God of beast.

 

Much to your second post, as you stated that you arnt here to argue who is better, then why did you even bother to come here with yet another alt account? Your posts like we think the lion is King of beast and you think the tiger is king of beast rant, is empty, uselss and disabled, in that rant alone stands in showing how you have no understading of anything protaining to why we are here, we are here to prove things to its ultimate verdict, there is other than fanboyism, absoultely no way you could ever prove the notion the tiger is King of beast as his overall qualitys as show cased and exampled here:

 

You tiger fans are the only envyous, jealous, ranting and whineing ones of the lot, you transmute and take anything envolved with power, rights and title higher over the other as only a formality of win, win win, hence you only want to call the tiger the King of beast because you want him as the winner, the tiger in true reality has no such qualitys that resemble noble Kings, or Kingly status in general. He does not poses a army, (lions rule over the pride via his army) tigers on a week to week basis does not protect his cubs, off springs, spouses, from intermidiate, to distant family members and friends as kings govern his Kingdom, male lions do this weekly not just from there own species but any opposing challanger. Tigers do not rule undisputed, prides have no natrual carnivorous predator. Does not have a Kingly anatomy-ornament recongnized by all cultures via crown = mane. Does not poses the qualitys such as nobility, magnanimity, as bold, courages, and death-defying as the lion has, no his main attributes noted by 90% of the people who hunted tigers, people who live with tigers, ect... state he is a cowardly animal. untainable by any culture reviweing it first hand to deem him a King. You are just mad and upset that it is universally accepted that the lion has the title of King of the beast, and other than a select one in a million people who come out to retort it for their culture, is still taken as nothing but a bias rant. No one here hates the tiger, thats just you not wanting to come into grip with reality.

 

You actually think if we went to a academic review to a university(s) (in person both me and you), with all there is on hand, that the tiger supporters comparing there tiny one page refference sheet of shady accounts, second hand opinions, and non-essentials is gona top what nearly a quarter of a book worth of compiled facts? lol I am not convinced that this is nearly a fraction of the info avaliable to be collected, compiled, restored and shared with universitys and schollars, but I can asure you, when the time is right and I do come back to the debate, I will have double to triple the amount there is.

 

This debate is interesting none the less, and I am sure it will be answerd in our life time. And as pun is intended, without being bias, subjective, cherry picking, ect...I think the lion will take the win overall. 

 

For anything to term'd conclusive it has to go through the trials of testing, how many archaeological sites has valmik thapar gone to? Because theres over a million, I am sure he hasent even gone to 100/1,000,000th of them, read over a 1,000 books on them, has even spend more time with lions (since hes a tiger activist), so where does he expect the literature to come from? When people search these days, if it doesnt just fall into their laps or given to them on a silver platter, or isnt found on the very first pages of google, they are omnipotant to say and make up anything they like. It sounds like the romans, and their over-claiming of knowing everything aout the universe, knows of all the stars billions of light years away since time began, yet they didnt even know about a continent via america which is right next door only till a few 500 or so years ago. lol

 

Valmik even states in his book, that before his initial search, he had no knowledge (he says it himself), that he didnt know of how much his royals use to hunt these animals, and the historical significance of lions and tigers...whuh? A person with zero academics in history is now writing a 2,000 year consenus on lions? lol Lets begin with Mitra (a real historian) in what he states:

 

The earliest signs of the lion as a species go back to the Pleistocene era, with
remains having been found in Bankura in western Bengal.

 

Susunia Hill is a known archeological and fossil site. Fossil remains of lion, giraffe, hyena and many other animal species have been discovered from areas around.

 

West bengals Bankuras location:

 

 

 

Puh that shuts the windows of the poor made up denials of thapar, that even strengthens the legends of the asiatic lion of china, aka Suanni (since west bengal is ridiculously close to china)...could have been the lion, there are several chinese historians, commentators, monks, dictionarys and more which say a golden color tiger use to eat other tigers and leopards, the oldest artifacts of suanni looks more like a lion than it does any other animal in the entire animal kingdom. Whats the distripcription of the suanni in literature?

 

 

- The image of the suanni (looks like a tiger) arent lions anatomically the same? CHECK

- The color of this suanni, (Golden), what color are lions? Baygh, yellow, gold.  CHECK

- Breaths smoke hmmm, tough one, since its so similar to dragons and their mythos, then it cant be lions, because lions dont breath smoke, ohh wait...they do:

 

(china has colder climates, hence lions there more often breath smoke when roaring) DOUBLE CHECK

 

The statue is even condoled in the exact same purpose the lion has been for all of history of china, to protect the houses, graves and living quarters of the chinese people, check. His charecterestics? Bold, fearless, yet gentle and kind, lions??? Check, check check, check. Look at the golden statue, the one even has tufts of hair on his elbows, what other big cat has those? Nadda. But back to Valmik, there is one thing I am in agreance with him is, that the tiger should be the national animal of india, Valmik did make a good point about the tiger needed the attention more to better be in awareness, and that the lion was already a national animal and yet it still didnt aid his recovery in any time before hand...but my views are only because the lion has taken tribute to almost every flag and emblem all over the world already, the tiger is almost exclusively found in india, so it fits him better there.

 

Its seems that just like pepsi and coke,  lions and tigers although ridculously the same, no different than another race of people, have mascot envy of foot ball player sydrome of die hard fans will condem their opposing side, just because it mirrors better qualitys, stronger attributes, higher respect towards the other. I've actually contacted two indian wild life historians apart from Singh hari shanka, and they actually had alot of historical basis on asiatic lion, they showed stuff that actually covered alot in each century, but these are more of archaeological significance, and little to do with the animals, which is no biggie, I cant find everything on them in one or two replys, but so then I shared some of the findings of (specifically the asiatic lion) persica, of the 10 or so times the indian lion had fought and killed tigers in india, yes india...no where else. And they were a bit surprised and also very excitedly interested, so hopefully they double up on their colleagues and bring the lion out of oblivion by further doing some genuine indian historical research.

 

The bottom line is, Valmik and his co-writers who yelled out like some kind of nazi'est proagandist school girls, that every library in india should have his book excotic aliens, should have actually thought it through and done some basic research first...no one human knows everything, no one university has universal-planetary knowledge, did they do any research? To what extant? I bet they havent even visted 100 different librarys, and that alone is petiful, does anyone know how many librarys there are in india???

 

In India, there are 54,856 public libraries

 

Ever heard the term, what appens in vegas...stays in vegas? What happens in vegas doesnt happen in all of america. Thats true district to district in india, what happens in one region doesnt happen in all of inida, so each states librarys will have ecological and biodiversity unique to there own...we know that Lions co-existed with tigers in...

 

- Gujarat

- Uttar predesh

- Maharastra

- The gangis plains/river/basin

- Medhya predesh

- Harriana

- Baroda

- Gwailor

- Andra pradesh

- Goona

- Palanpur

- Ahmedabad

- Damoh

- Palamau

- Bengal

- Shivpuri

- Jharkhand

- Rajasthan

- Surat

- Bangalore

 

Did valmik visit any of the thousands of librarys just in those areas? Your answer is no. Did he consult the scholars in each one of those places, the historians in each one of those places, went to archaeological sites there, the natives there, study each century of writings worth just 1,000 years? Your answer is, no. The lion is in a state of oblivion, because for one thing, there are too many different languages in india to transverse knowledge universally, in america mostly everyone speaks english, hence news gets around relatively fast, in india there are many different types. It will take a combined amount of academic sociotys to write something about just 100 years worth, let alone thapars 2,000 year old pusedo-knowledge. 

 

If anyone knows the concept of process of elimination, they could easily find the answers to locations of lion and tiger coexisting and conflicts of indias records...you have to get a hold of each of the librarys/historians/archaeologist of the places lions/tigers coexisted like names above, if one doesnt have any information, than you can just move on to the next, thats how process of elimination works, and at that point, if you arnt willing to ask/look/research-it, then...

 

1.) You will remain ignorant.

 

2.) Why the hell are you even still on the subject if you arnt willing to go foward.

 

Science is about moving foward, testing things, looking for the truth, not staying still, people like Valmik, pckts, haughton, aint even about moving foward or staying still, they are about going backwards, lieing, faking, denying, and trying to re-write history, in there views, which of course is bias, pathetic, and not factual.

 

Like this new one for instance, heres a new location that specifically states lions and tigers were in the same place...Meerut

 

146 MEERUT.

ment in the least disappointed: attendance so often becomes anything but agreeable, verifying the adage, "Too much of one thing." Reviews in the mornings and evenings, levees and seeing barracks, and other interesting sights, occupied our days, and constrained every one to be booted and spurred.

This place is celebrated for its hospitality and gaiety during the winter months. It has a race-course, theatre, and ball-room; and those who reside within convenient distances, generally contrive to come in and mix with their friends during that season of festivity. The houses are good, and each has a well-stocked garden of fruits and vegetables. The European troops usually remain three years at each station, which permits them to make themselves comfortable. Abundance of game, (including the majestic elephant, the tiger, and some few lions, to the North-west in the desert, down to the diminutive quail,) is within a short distance of Meerut, and this is one reason for the preference most people give it.

To Have Borne Witness

books.google.com Barry Cogswell - ‎2014 - Preview - More editions If North Americans cannot protect their wolves, how can we expect the Africans and Asians to protect their lions and tigers? The hostility by some ... Historically, lions thrived from India across west Asia into Europe. Thereare ... The Arabian Lions are considered to have been plentiful in southwest Asia into the 19th century.

The Great Pioneer in India, Ceylon, Bhutan & Tibet

books.google.com Harry Hamilton Johnston - ‎1986 - Preview - More editions ing sports much more interest in the lion than in the tiger, which last was always more especially the favourite carnivore of the Hindus. In the seventeenth century the lion was still abundant in north-western India, Gujarat, and even the Dekkan,  ...

 

 

Some one should explain the definition of the words....ABUNDANT...and....PLENTIFUL to Valmik thapar.

 

Any ways, on the asiatic lion topic, I side scrolled a bit and actually came across a article that covered Jam saheb again, it turns out there was another fight between a lion and tiger to add to the 4 he witnessed. I dont have the article at the moment, but it was suppose to be some where here:

 

The lion died as well, what was interesting was, the lion that died was a female, and she took down a...male tiger as well. Thats quite the feat, since if it was a male lion, the tiger wouldnt have been able to get to a vital area like the neck. I dont call it a 50/50 because of the gender gap, for a smaller, weaker, lioness to have kamikaze'd a bigger stronger male bengal tiger, shows that in the wild, lionesses via prides would be able to kill a tiger with unity much more effectively, and thats even without the males help.

 

It seems the argument of tiger supramcy is slipping away with every account of a female lioness/tigress/leopardess killing a male tiger...is that all there is? I dought it.

 

Any ways, wont be of much help, but will see you guys down the line. Again, good luck to everyone who is interested in the truth.