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    Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 15:52
 
egypt was in africa so what you have to do is prove the culture wasnt african. prove to me the culture came outside of africa. define european culture to me then.?
 
how many egyptians do you think look like this
 
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European? As I've said Egypt isn't EUROPEAN!
 
Egypt was Egypt. They had their own culture.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 16:16
 
cent you cant deny a lot of egyptians look like this
 
 
 
did egyptian culture come from abroad or not?
 
if not then it is a african ciulture
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 16:17

The only people who focus on such things as the color of ancient Egyptians are the extremists: Afrocentrists who want to prove that Egyptians were black, or white supremacists who want to prove the exact opposite. Most modern academics don't bother writing articles about it, but instead there is a general consensus that ancient Egypt was a multiracial society.

Some of these pages would be useful:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Racial_characteristics_of_ancient_Egyptians


Take a look at the map which depicts the range of skin colors of humanity. You will notice that Africa is by far the most diverse continent in this respect. How can we say then that being from the African continent automatically means being "black"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Unlabeled_Renatto_Luschan_Skin_color_map.png


I don't know if you can read French, but the French Wikipedia is a lot better than the English one:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origine_des_anciens_%C3%89gyptiens

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 16:20
Originally posted by viola76

 
cent you cant deny a lot of egyptians look like this
 
 
 
did egyptian culture come from abroad or not?
 
if not then it is a african ciulture
 
the whole point is defining "african culture". As I said before, if I said that Hebrews or Iranians are from Asia hence they must have "Asian culture", then that would be quite inaccurate and misleading, because it ignores the vast cultural and appearance differences between the various people which live in Asia. The same idea applies to Egyptians: they lived in Africa, but that doesn't make their culture "African" no more than Iranians are "Asian".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 16:22
 
i cant read french but ive look at the others.
 
multiracial society.
 
the culture came from the south. what duid the northeners bring.
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agriculture was invented in Africa in at least three centers, and maybe even four. In Africa, you find the earliest domestication of cattle. The location, the pottery and other materials we've found makes it likely that happened among the Nilo-Saharan peoples, the sites are in southern Egypt. There is an exceptionally strong correlation between archaeology and language on this issue. - Chrisopher Ehret

Pottery is several thousand years older in Africa than the 'middle east'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 16:33
 
where do you people get your sources from concerning ancient egypt.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 16:34
Originally posted by viola76

agriculture was invented in Africa in at least three centers, and maybe even four. In Africa, you find the earliest domestication of cattle. The location, the pottery and other materials we've found makes it likely that happened among the Nilo-Saharan peoples, the sites are in southern Egypt. There is an exceptionally strong correlation between archaeology and language on this issue. - Chrisopher Ehret

Pottery is several thousand years older in Africa than the 'middle east'
 
I don't where you are getting this... The oldest towns in the world are in the Middle East. Catal Huyuk and Jericho are each about 11,000 years old. Towns require pottery, for food storage.
As an aside, the oldest pottery in the world is in Japan...
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Originally posted by viola76

 
i cant read french but ive look at the others.
 
multiracial society.
 
the culture came from the south. what duid the northeners bring.
 
To start with, wheat and barley, as well as animals such as the sheep, the goat and the donkey were all domesticated in the Middle East. Egyptian civilization would scarcely have been possible without them.
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Swissinfo

Swiss archaeologist digs up West Africa's past

A Swiss:led team of archaeologists has discovered pieces of the oldest African pottery in central Mali, dating back to at least 9,400BC.

The sensational find by Geneva University's Eric Huysecom and his international research team, at Ounjougou near the Unesco:listed Bandiagara cliffs, reveals important information about man's interaction with nature.

The age of the sediment in which they were found suggests that the six ceramic fragments : discovered between 2002 and 2005 : are at least 11,400 years old. Most ancient ceramics from the Middle East and the central and eastern Sahara regions are 10,000 and between 9:10,000 years old, respectively.

"At the beginning, the very first piece we found stayed in my desk drawer for years, as I didn't realise how old it was," Huysecom told swissinfo.

Huysecom heads a 50:strong interdisciplinary team, composed of 28 international researchers ? mainly from Germany, Mali, Switzerland, France and Britain : on the largest current archaeological research project in Africa, entitled "Human population and paleo:environment in West Africa".

Ounjougou was selected as the location, "as everything led us to believe that there we could follow the evolution of man, the environment and the climate", explained Huysecom.

The site is an archaeologist's dream: a ravine made up of layers of easy:to:date sediment rich in West African history.

Significant findings

Since the launch of the project in 1997, the team has made numerous discoveries about ancient stone:cutting techniques and tools, and other important findings that shed light on human development in the region.

But the unearthing of the ancient fragments of burnt clay is one of the most significant to date. Huysecom is convinced that pottery was invented in West Africa to enable man to adapt to climate change.

"Apart from finding the oldest ceramic in Africa, the interesting thing is that it gives us information about when and under what circumstances man can invent new things, such as pottery," he explained.

"And the invention of ceramic is linked to specific environmental conditions ? the transformation of the region from desert into grassland."

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Some 10,000 years ago, at the end of the ice age, the climate is thought to have fluctuated between warm and cold periods. This led to the formation of an 800:kilometre:wide band of tropical vegetation extending northwards from the Sahel region, which attracted people who slowly moved north from southern and central Africa.

Wild grasses and pearl millet started sprouting on the former desert land. But for man to be able to eat and properly digest the new plants, they had to be stored and cooked in pots.

"Man had to adapt his food and way of life by inventing pottery," said the Geneva professor.

The invention of ceramic also coincided with that of small arrowheads : also discovered by the team ? and which were probably used to hunt hares, pheasants and other small game on the grassy plains.

To date, East Asia ? the triangle between Siberia, China and Japan ? is the only other area where similar pottery and arrowheads have been found which are as old as those in West Africa, explained Huysecom.

"This is important, as they both appear in same way, at the same time and under similar climatic conditions, which indicates that man has certain modes of adaptation to cope with environmental changes," he commented.

Ahead of the final publication of the team's research findings this year, Huysecom is returning to Ounjougou to rejoin his colleagues, in particular those from West Africa "who are extremely proud of the discovery".

He plans to scour the region for caves and other settlement sites to try and find out exactly where the pottery came from so as to determine more precisely the age of the fragments.

"We know [from the sediment] that they are at least 11,400 years old, but they could be 50 or even 1,000 years older

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 16:50
"the oldest pottery in the world is in Japan"
 
the article meant neolithic pottery
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"wheat and barley, as well as animals such as the sheep, the goat and the donkey were all domesticated in the"
 
fair point, there was a cultural transfer of things. but the culture it self came from the south.
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I still can't get why Blacks Americans are so concerned with Egypt.

Egypt and its heritage is EGYPTIAN, not Black American.
 
Terms like Africa, Blackness, and similar does not make any sense in this context.
 
What are you trying to prove? That Egypt is the heritage of Black American peoples?
 
Or are you trying to prove that racist theory that says the Black Man was the source of all the culture of mankind, including the myth of Yakub?
 
If so, it is riduculous... period.
 
 
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Pinguin, couldn't have said it better myself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 17:24

lol this topic is jokes

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 17:25
 
none of the above
 
did i say the a.e are related to black americans? yes or no?
 
why are white people past and present trying to make a.e  white or semetic people?
 
no i dont beleive the ykub theory or black man made everything.
 
im simply arguing my point that the original egyptians had dark brown skin and they were from the south. its eurocentric ideas that have started this whole egyptian debate ,
why couldnt they just accept the fact that the egytptians were dark brown people instead of turning them into white or light semetic people totally excluding dark skin people from it. and ill say again saying a.e dont look like west africans so that means they are not black is stupid and ridiculous
. i work with somalis and ethiopians and a few sudanese and some look different from each other but they are still as AFRICAN AS THESE NIGERIANS YOU KEEP GOING ON ABOUT.  PERIOD
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 17:33
Originally posted by viola76

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im simply arguing my point that the original egyptians had dark brown skin and they were from the south...
 
That's not the whole truth. Every schollar knows there was also a neolythical immigration of "outsiders" from the Middle East back into Africa, that crossed all North Africa and that ended in the Canarias! Where do you think the Berber people came from?
 
Please, take a look at the genographic project map. Perhaps that's the piece that's missing. Egypt was very diverse from the very beginning.
 
 
Besides, culture is carried by people. It is just nosense to believe all culture came in just one direction (south to north) when there was a lot more development going on in other direction (east-west)
 
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egypt was multiracial it had "egyptians" and "blacks" who lived side by side.
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