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    Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 08:56


Can somebody read the inscriptions written in arabic alphabet?
It's fresco from a church in Kastoria,Macedonia-Greece damaged by invasions.

(ps:To Mods:Better move it to "Linguistics")


Edited by Brainstorm - 22-Dec-2006 at 10:29
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 09:22
Too difficult to make out, if you can get a rendition, it would be better.

If it is in Turkish, you will have a tough time getting it translated since they longer know (except for specialists) that alphabet
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  Quote Brainstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 09:24
It's turkish or albanian .
Frescos were destroyed during an invasion (u can see eyes of saints "taken out")

Are there different types of arabian alphabet for Persians,Turkish ..etc ?
With different letters and so on?
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 09:26
Actually I could get that translated if you get a discernable rendition.

I have a friend who speaks Turkish and knows the Persian alphabet (same as Ottoman, almost). He would be able to make sense from the letters.
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  Quote Arbr Z Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 09:29
Originally posted by Brainstorm

It's turkish or albanian .
Frescos were destroyed during an invasion (u can see eyes of saints "taken out")

Are there different types of arabian alphabet for Persians,Turkish ..etc ?
With different letters and so on?
 
 
Sorry to dissapoint you, but it is not albanian (btw)
Prej heshtjes...!
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  Quote Brainstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 09:29
Unfortunately i cant...
can u present these alphabets?
Once a girl fro mJordan was telling me that there are 3 types for each letter (if its written at the beginning .middle or end of a word!)
Difficult!!
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  Quote Brainstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 09:30
@ arber
did albanians use arabic for writing at all?
what was the first alphabet they used?latin,greek or cyrillic?
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 09:41
I've sent a link to the picture with a request to him asking if he can transalte.
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  Quote xi_tujue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 09:53
It's realy a nice painting well it was.

as fpr the writings I think it's grafiti nothing more.



When did albanians use arabian script
I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 10:00
He wants to know what the graffiti says because the damage as well as the graffiti dates to Osman invsions and are also therefore historical.
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  Quote Brainstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 10:06
Do u mean in Greek or Arabian script?
In arabian i dont know!
In greek "O AΡΧ(ΑΓΓΕΛΟΣ) ΓΑΒΡ(Ι)ΗΛ"  "Ο ΑΓ(ΙΟΣ)"
"the archangel Gabriel"  "Saint"

It's 16th-17th century fresco.
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 10:08
Sorry, "Do u mean in Greek or Arabian script?", is this question for me?
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  Quote Brainstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 10:17
Originally posted by Zagros

Sorry, "Do u mean in Greek or Arabian script?", is this question for me?

U said "he wants to know what the graffiti says"
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 10:25
Oh, "he" referred to you, I directed that post at Xi.
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  Quote xi_tujue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 10:47
brainqtorm asled if it was albanian so that would mean that the albanians used persian/arabic script.
I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage
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  Quote Brainstorm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 10:55
I asked because the region of the monastery is near Albania and there are 2 raids of "Turk-Albanians" (muslim Albanians) recorded.
Also most of the muslim states used arabic as premier writing ..so i just wonder.
I would also like to know what was the alphabets used by Albanians before they settle to latin.


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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 11:25

It seems to be in Persian language but I can't read it.

... to us ... [from also my son] ... once again Hassan ...

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  Quote Maziar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 11:54
I agree with Cyrus, it could be Persian. I can read 2 words, hopfully not a mistake. 1- BAZ HAM = again; 2- Hassan = an arabic male name.
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 14:00
Where is the "ham"? I can see baz, but not ham.

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I personally doubt it is Persian if this is the work of Ottoman foot soldiers and AFAIK Persian was a language of culture for Ottoman elites. If it is Persian then maybe it was carried out by Ottoman officers.

My friend replied - he cannot make any sense out of it, here is his reponse, lol.

"..... jan salam...
agha rastesh aslan nemitonam bekhonam chi hastesh! vali chizi ke malom hastesh ye mosht adame bifarhang bardashtan ba kilid ya chize tizi naghashi ro kharabesh kardan ! "

"To tell you the truth, i can't make out what it is! the only thing I do know, however, is that it was done by a bunch of uncultured rifraf with keys or some other sharp object."
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Dec-2006 at 23:33

now, he realy know what he talks.  After all he did not understand anything.

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