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    Posted: 11-Feb-2007 at 16:17
Well, in that case I agree with you. Whites abussed quite a lot of the Apache, Mohawk and Cree societies, and all other native nations of the hemisphere.
 
However, curiously enough, the European brough some valuables things as well: they brough the horse for example! That was so important for Natives of the past that today nobody can imagine a warrior fighting on feet!
 
But you are right. The best white man could have done it was to stay in Europe!!!
 
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Originally posted by pinguin

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The original list I posted was this:
 
 
(1) Series manufacturing.
(2) Quite a lots of inventors, the top one being Edison.
(3) Modern democratic system.
(4) First flight.
(5) First landing on the Moon.
(6) Jazz, Blues, Rock (modern music)
(7) Science fiction (Asimov, Heinlein et al.)
(8) Comic magazines (Superman, donald duck, etc.)
(9) Animation movies (Walt Disney)
(10) Color TV and other modern technologies.
(11) Atomic bomb and nuclear reactors.
(12) Semiconductors.
(13) Intercontinental missil.
(14) Electronic digital computers.
(15) First compiler (a key technology to develop software)
(16) Windows, mouses, internet and other computer tecnologies.
(17) Genetics, genoma project.
(18) Porn movies.
(19) Fast food restaurants.
(20) Nucler submarines.
(21) Data Bases
 
Those are some of the more important, for good or better, that I can recall.
 
Now, answering to Chimera, about the contributions of North American Natives, they had many. Including: mocasines, pop corn and modern sport canoe. In abstract arts the North West styles are important.
 
But, perhaps the greatest contribution of North American Natives has been to the phylosophy of the ecological movement, particularly after the works of Grey Owl, a British-Canadian that spread the ancient knowledge to the outsiders.
(I was lucky to have known Waskesui, the park where Grey Owl had a his cabin.)
 
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I was more trying to highlight on Porn Movies and the fact you said "Those are some of the more important, for good or better...."
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"That was so important for Natives of the past that today nobody can imagine a warrior fighting on feet!"
Well, at Little Big Horn they fought on foot, using repeating rifles. And probably some today are in  military units with nukes. With climate change from producing technology, we may see how rhe west is lost.
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Originally posted by pinguin

Well, in that case I agree with you. Whites abussed quite a lot of the Apache, Mohawk and Cree societies, and all other native nations of the hemisphere.
 
However, curiously enough, the European brough some valuables things as well: they brough the horse for example! That was so important for Natives of the past that today nobody can imagine a warrior fighting on feet!
 
But you are right. The best white man could have done it was to stay in Europe!!!
 
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But of course it was better to stay in EuropeLOL,such stupid thing's have the europeans brought with them-mathemathics,phisics,chemistry,(all kinds of sciense),medicine,everything we've invented in Europe for 2400 years like banking,democracy,universities,capitalism and so on ,and of course something which for you is very "stupid"............christianity.You might not like the europeans because you're not one,but it doesn't matter that you should speak things that simply aren't true.Every civilisation made invented something good,something that we use today but the europeans invented most!


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Well, Europe developed those things with the help of others as well: Egyptians, Babilonians, Phoenicians, Palestineans, Jews, Arabs, Moors, Indians, Chineses, etc. They should not be forgotten Wink.

And I would not say anything more against the Europeans because of the memory of my ancestors... most of which were Europeans. LOL



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I'm sorry,penguin,that i quote you again,it's nothin personal,i just dont agree with you.If i'm a bit harsh-it's not an attack,it's a debate.
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Yes. Well, I agree with you. If you have seen my previous posts I have not always talk badly about Europeans at all. After all all human societies have bright and dark sides. And in all societies there are good and bad peoples. We should just forget about cartoons, and see the people like it is.

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"..europeans brought with them-mathemathics,phisics,chemistry,(all kinds of sciense),medicine,everything we've invented in Europe for 2400 years like banking,democracy,universities,capitalism and so on ,and of course something which for you is very "stupid"............christianity."
Did they? The Spanish invaders sailed to the Americas to steal gold and silver, branded the Carib people with hot-irons as slaves, and seized the land. Incas in Peru today are banned from buying land on the plains. The whole north-south continent was stolen. Every act that is un-Christian was done by those invaders. They brought science, but not Christianity.
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Originally posted by chimera

Did they? The Spanish invaders sailed to the Americas to steal gold and silver, branded the Carib people with hot-irons as slaves, and seized the land. Incas in Peru today are banned from buying land on the plains. The whole north-south continent was stolen. Every act that is un-Christian was done by those invaders. They brought science, but not Christianity.
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Hi Chimera,
 
Sorry for what I am going to say but, please stop repeating a stereotype like a parrot LOL.
 
You say stealed gold and silver. Don't you know that gold was quite a little in the Americas and that silver was extracted with the help of engineers and technologies developed in Spain? Yes, if you believe that the Spaniards acted like the Pirates of the Caribbean and all the gold they got was from the treasures of the natives, you are death wrong. And history of engineering in the Spanish colonies could help to clarify that point.
 
Carib people branded? Yes, there were lots of crimes commited by the Spaniards, and actually they treated theirs slaves about the same like the Americans treated theirs African peoples. But don't you know the crown stopped it (father Las Casas) and that Spaniards intermarried with Natives in large scale? and that was the main reason for the extinction of that culture? Genetics shows clearly in places like Cuba, DR and Puerto Rico, I tell you.
 
Which Incas of Peru? Incas were the royal family of the Tawantinsuyo (Inca Empire). That was a multi-etnic empire whose dominant group were the Quechuas. If you don't know, many of them also intermarried and were allied of the Spaniards.
 
I suggest you that, before you repeat all those sterotypes that anglo-saxon teachers so infamously spread, please get informed of the realities of the Spanish Conquist. Start from studying the Black Legend.
 
 
 Perhaps that open your eyes.
 
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Originally posted by Jagiello

The biggest contribution is fighting in the WW2 against the nazi and oposing USSR in the Cold war!
 
I would not say the biggest, but yes... it was a turning point of the WWII... and possibily have saved democracy of the world we know today.
     
   
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Originally posted by Jagiello

The biggest contribution is fighting in the WW2 against the nazi and oposing USSR in the Cold war!
 
I would not say the biggest, but yes... it was a turning point of the WWII... and possibily have saved democracy of the world we know today.
 
And what could possibly be bigger than saving democracyLOL?
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Americas: I wrote that the invaders were not Christian, and brought science. The Spanish and British invaders could only use their science and inter-marry because of their crimes.
WWII: The Russians had defeated most of the German army before the Allies landed in France. Stalin held-up his advance in Poland to see how the west was doing- the West took 3 months to get moving as Stalin reached Warsaw.
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Americas: I wrote that the invaders brought science, but not Christianity. Science could only be used because of the crimes of the invaders.
WW II: Russia had defeated the German army and was advancing in Poland before the Allies landed in France. The West took 2 months to get moving in Brittany as Stalin reached Warsaw.
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Originally posted by chimera

Americas: I wrote that the invaders brought science, but not Christianity. Science could only be used because of the crimes of the invaders.
WW II: Russia had defeated the German army and was advancing in Poland before the Allies landed in France. The West took 2 months to get moving in Brittany as Stalin reached Warsaw.
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Stalins armies were killing as much germans as russians,due to the fact the soldiers were given very little if any food,water,thrown like dogs at the germans and even killed by own officers when retreated,so yes,they killed more germans and mooved quicklier but at the cost of millions of lives.And the allies had at least some respect for life,so they mooved slower and killed less germans,but suffered minimal casualties.And don't forget that America saved democracynot only from the germans,but also from the same soviet in the cold war.
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It was Mr. Walensa not the US.
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Originally posted by chimera

Americas: I wrote that the invaders were not Christian, and brought science. The Spanish and British invaders could only use their science and inter-marry because of their crimes. ...
 
Do you realize that:
 
(1) Most of the Spaniards that came to the Americas were not criminals?
(2) ALL the Spaniards were fervent Catholics?
(3) Many Spaniards married Natives? That is, they went to church with ceremonies, and they leave an heritage to theirs kids?
(4) Natives embraced Christian faith in mass and willingly? Have you heard about the Virgin of Guadaloupe? the Virgin of the Socavon?
(5) Spaniards also converted their Black peoples and some intermarriage existed as well. Have you heard about Saint Martin of Porres.
 
I believe you need to do more research before repeating the "Black legend"


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"What was?"

"And don't forget that America saved democracynot only from the germans,but also from the same soviet in the cold war"

It was Lech Walesa who saved democracy from the Soviets. He came from a small country off the south coast of Gotland.
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Stealing 2 continents remains a crime. The various tribes saw it that way.
Generally, the destroyed tribes degenerated into hopeless, drunken and demoralised fringe-dwellers. That crime is the foundation of the successes of western technology in the Americas.
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Originally posted by chimera

"What was?"

"And don't forget that America saved democracynot only from the germans,but also from the same soviet in the cold war"

It was Lech Walesa who saved democracy from the Soviets. He came from a small country off the south coast of Gotland.


LOL Well chimera i come from this "small country off the south coast of Gotland" called Poland,and used to be one of the biggest countries in Europe.So you probably guess Walesa is something like our "national hero" and of course i know a lot about him.He realy is one of the reasons for defeating the soviet comunists,but if there was no america-there would't be any hope for achieving that.
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