Byzantine-Bulgarian Relations

They choke him because only in that way they wouldnt spill his blood and if that happened his power wouldn't be preserved to his descendants.

Originally posted by nikodemos No wonder why the Greeks called the Bulgars sometimes Scythians

Our first lands were far away from those tribes.Look at the mountain range of Tyan Shan-one of it's mountains is called Khan Tengri and the proto-bulgar god is Tangra!!!
How will you explain that?Names don't just pop out like this.


Edited by Liudovik_Nemski - 28-Oct-2006 at 03:12

Originally posted by Anton What about Kan Kubrat's and Old Great Bulgaria time? It seems that both countries didn't have big problems at that time.

Sometimes the very persuasive Byzantine influence on the Bulgars was enough to create a friendship between the two nations. Byzantine court ceremonies and diplomatic strength were often successful in convincing their more militant neighbours to have a peaceful relationship.

I think it is fair to say that most of the time Byzantium and the Bulgars were at peace, though when war did break out it could be very destructive and could extend over vast areas of the Balkans.

Here's something very interesting i found.It was written at Ravena 2 centuries before 681(when Bulgaria was created):

Inter vero Thraciam vel Macedoniam et Mysiam inferiorem modo Bulgari habitant'.
Ravennati Cosmographus, IV, 6.

Can somebody here read latin?


Edited by Liudovik_Nemski - 29-Oct-2006 at 16:25

Originally posted by Liudovik_Nemski Another: "The bulgars-these were the people who had everything they wanted. They believed that the world was created for them, they never doubted in achieving victory, these were the people which the world admired" Magnus Felix Enodius 486

More:

�The Bulgarians are a huge, mighty and warlike people, that have subdued all their neighboring nations. One horseman of theirs can face 100 or 200 horsemen of the infidels. When they go to war they form lines � in front are the archers with their bows, and behind are the women and children��
Abu al-Hassan Ali ibn Hussein ibn Ali al-Massoudi, X century AD


�The word Bulgarian means a worthy, wise man.�
Jagfar Tarikh � history of the Volga Bulgarians, 1098 AD


�The Bulgarian country is among the seven world civilizations.�
Prof. Shigeoshi Mazuiama

�The Bulgarians were this nation, which � along with the Vikings � contributed the most for the organizing and forming of civilization in whole Eastern Europe. The Proto-Bulgarians organized the Bulgarian-Slavic tribes in one nation, in which the Bulgarian spirit and culture remained as a ferment/yeast for all times.�
Prof. Geza Feher

�In human history there are 28 civilizations and one of them is the Bulgarian.�
Sir Arnold Toenbe (Toinby? I�m not sure of the spelling)


Edited by Liudovik_Nemski - 29-Oct-2006 at 16:44

Utigurs and Kutrigurs werent huns(except if bulgars as a whole were huns).They were bulgar tribes and there si no doubt in this.Gothuc historian Jordan(or Jordanes)called them bulgarians of the eastern and western ridge.Kubrat was a leader of the third main bulgar tribe Onogondurs(onogurs).

There is something interesting about Kubrat.He had two names.First one is Kurt which i think means wolf.There is a theory about the second name Kubrat.It connected it with iranian word Vubrat(i am not sure if this was the word)which means unite,gather.And we know that Kubrat united all bulgarian tribes and created Old Great Bulgaria.

Not necessarily, I'd say. Are you sure it's "Bulgari" and not "Vulgares", which is the Latin word for "simple"? ;)
Btw, Liudovik Nemski, you've been reading the History thread in the Sunflowers forum, huh? Note that these translations are old (i.e. not very good quality) and are of things, which I don't support blindly so much anymore...

And I think we're moving to off-topic here as well!
Btw, what's actually the topic of this thread? Khan Krum the Terrible?
And also if we had to choose a Bulgarian ruler, who should be named "Terror of the Byzantines", then it should be the Bulgarian version of Bulgaroktonos - Tsar Kaloyan Romeoktonos. I'd say they hated him even more than Krum (Krum was still just some heathen, i.e. not so worthy of their attention, while Kaloyan was even leading negotiations with the Pope and finally concluded the Union/Unia with him)...

Edited by NikeBG - 30-Oct-2006 at 06:16

During that ages many times byzantine authors called bulgars Skythians or Huns.It was normal,they didnt distinguish them.But there are other sources(byzantine and german) that confirm that Kutrigurs are bulgar tribe.

Originally posted by Philhellene But as I said before Byzantine authors distinguished Bulgarians and Kutrigurs, so why we believe only German sources?

Edited by Anton - 30-Oct-2006 at 12:20