Tsar Samuil

Edited by Hellios - 19-Oct-2006 at 06:36

Originally posted by Hellios "Perched in his royal seat high over the city of Ohrid, Tsar Samuil fought the Byzantine invaders who frequently tried to take over Macedonia. A ruler as well as a warrior, he led a brave and loyal army who would follow him to the grave."

It would be better to replace Macedonia with Bulgaria. Especially since the Byzantines attacked not only the Macedonian region, but also Bdin etc., i.e. briefly said - all remaining Bulgarian territories.

Originally posted by Hellios "Samuil's Empire consisted of the entire region of Macedonia, as well as Thessaly, Epirus, Albania, Serbia, Duklja, Travina, Zahumlje, Neretva, and a considerable part of Bulgaria."

Isn't it funny how the ruler of the only Bulgarian state at that time ruled over "a considerable part of Bulgaria". It doesn't make much sense, even if the Byzantine theme administrative system is used - the Byzantine theme Bulgaria covered most of the modern FYROM, plus the lands around Bdin and Sredec/Sofia and some others, i.e. the bigger part of Samuil's state.

Edited by NikeBG - 19-Oct-2006 at 07:11

   It was already discussed many times on this forum about the Komitopuli dynasty, Samuil, how the Basil II gained his nickname etc.
   The site you probably refer is one of the FYROMacedonian government sponsored ones, like historyofmacedonia.org.
   They are very funny sites afterall (for sci-fi fans) and represent the total crisis of their history "scince", fell in a futile attempt to excuse the current political situation. The most interesting is the list of "Macedonian" rulers-from Cleopatra and Antiochus, a thousand years pause, and then voila Samuil appears and what is more interesting Basil I the Macedonian (867-886) is presented as the first Macedonian ruler of the Byzantine empire!!!!!!! So the wars of Basil II are in fact civil wars! A very funny things continue to appear online, such as the absurd theory about the Roseta stone which is in total contradiction with everything officialy admitted. I don't know on what they are counting-perhaps on the maxim: "A lie said again and again begins to seem more authentic than the truth".

Yes, of course . It's quite popular.
I hope a historical dispute, seminar or something of that kind will be organized between the official historians from the Balkan states, to clear some delicate moments of the common history in a civilized manner. But there will be a problem of finding a representative from FYROM-the autors of their propaganda are publicists not professional historians.

Originally posted by Burdokva 22.The Bulgarians and the Macedonians also defer in physical appearance. So now we are monkey-men!?...

no apperantly asian!

The typical Mongolic features among the modern Bulgarians are absent among the Macedonians.

Originally posted by Burdokva but that Samuil is a macedonian tsar fightining the (mongolic?!) bulgar oppresors is rediculous.

What do you expect?They try to catch every last straw they see in order to make a history of their own.Being ascendants to Alexander the great is a perfect example.Then Gotse Delchev and Nikola Vaptsarov not being bulgarians but macedonians.Now Samuil being macedonian tsar.I won't be surprised if they declare Tsar Simeon I a great macedonian emperor.

Pathetic.

Edit:They also claim that Macedonia was the birthplace of orthodoxy...


Edited by Liudovik_Nemski - 30-Oct-2006 at 18:26

You are a bulgarian.

theMacedonian, separation of our nations (if you want to call Macedonians as a nations) were later then Samuil, Okhrid literary center and even Goce Delchev. Thus, the question you ask is pointless. Similar question -- Kievan Rus is Russian or Ukranian?

Originally posted by theMacedonian why dont you o great historians tell me who am I...

From what I can judge by your nickname, you're mostly a Macedonian, although you probably have some bigger or lesser mixings as well. I myself am mostly a Shop (around 3/4 Shop and 1/4 Macedonian from the border regions of the Macedonia region). I presume that you're also a citizen of the Republic of Macedonia. I'm using your consitutional name, because Bulgaria was the first state to acknowledge it, unlike the bigger part of the rest of the world, which still uses Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia. And since I'm a citizen of the Republic of Bulgaria, I'm using your consitutional name, as our government has decided to agree. Anyway, if you're asking us who you are as in "What's my name? Where do I live?" - sorry, I can't tell. But you can, if you wish! If you're asking us who you are as in the philosophical aspect of "Who am I?" - you're yourself. Or maybe not - you have the best chance to know that. But if you're asking us whether we believe the citizens of the Republic of Macedonia to be a separate from the Bulgarians ethnos or not - no, we don't believe so, since around 1/3 of them are surely not of Bulgarian origin.

Originally posted by bg_turk Just a small correction. The only countries that insist on using "fyrom" are Greece and its allies in the EU. The majority of the world  inlcluding 3 of the 5 veto-holders in the security council, recognize the Republic by its constitutional name.