who says jews and muslims cannot be friends?

 

yes another contridiction.if you see at the site
www.jews-for-allah.org
most of the jewish converts are men.

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim  Statistics on conversions are extremely unrealiable. Based on the previous comments I haven't even looked at the website.

Edited by Cryptic - 19-Oct-2006 at 22:57

I was once looked for statistics on  Moslems converts  to Evangelical Christianity.    Reliable information was very hard to come by.   Some sources gave the indication that conversions were very isolated.   Other sources indicated that there is a steady and growing number of Berber and Bedouin converts to Christianity.

In countries such as Morocco, Indonesia, India, Nigeria (much of Africa actually), the West, and many more Evangelical groups put huge amounts of money into attempting to convert muslims. Some US based groups even have schools specifically for training missionaries for this purpose. They meet with very little success, which leads to them blaming 'social pressures' or an 'intolerant society' to excuse themselves of pouring millions of dollars into a failed goal. Missionary activity is one of the biggest sources of anti-american senitment.
Conversions out of Islam are very rare, even in a country like Australia where there certainly aren't any social pressures.

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim In my experience when people convert to get married women are more likely to become proper muslims, who study Islam in depth, but men are more likely to convert just because their wife wants them too. It does however largely depend on the person. Otherwise, I reckon 99% of muslims do not convert in a shariah court and are unknown to authorites. 40 conversions a year is hardly worth mentioning. You can begin to talk about it when there is 40 a week. Statistics on conversions are extremely unrealiable. Based on the previous comments I haven't even looked at the website.

Originally posted by Cryptic The Saudis appear to have duplicated this technique as well.   I have seen  chains of new, Saudi built Mosques in rural Africa.   These mosques were in Christian tribal villages and were by far the biggest structures in the area.    I have heard that the Saudis finance dispoportinalty large Islamic education centers in the west as well.

Yes thats true. This doubles as an attempt for increase Saudi control and influence over muslim groups in non-muslim countries. The imam of my local mosque is paid for by the Saudi government. Something I don't really like or agree with.

Social pressure and governmental pressures do exist.  lncluding theoretical death penalties.

Oh for sure there is pressure, but not as much as is often made out and reported. Theoretically there shouldn't be death penalties.

Originally posted by Arch Buff I would think that its the exact opposite. Woman would convert to please their husbands but maybe Im wrong.

Men convert to please their husbands too. Sometimes niether convert as well.

How could anyone possibly know this? Seeing as how even if most Muslims did convert they certainly couldnt talk about it or announce it.

Thats a pretty good point actually.

Originally posted by Arch Buff I would think that its the exact opposite. Woman would convert to please their husbands but maybe Im wrong.

Men convert to please their husbands too. Sometimes niether convert as well.

Men convert to please their husbands? Didnt know Islam promoted homo-sexuality?

I was merely joking around with Omar, he surely didnt mean to type in "men" but was meaning to type "women".

No. I've no idea where he pulled this from.

omar yes according to islam homosexuality is strictly forbidden and acording to islamic law homosexuals are to be put to death.

According to the International Lesbian and Gay Association  ILGA there are at least seven countries today which still retain capital punishment for homosexuality: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Yemen. The situation with regard to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is unclear.

http://www.jamaat.org/qa/homo.html

let me make it clear to you  all-regarding the position of homosexuals in islam. homosexuality is strictly forbidden and its penalty is death according to islam.

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Edited by Maharbbal - 21-Oct-2006 at 21:50