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ihsan 
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 Topic: Your Favorite Ottoman RulersPosted: 17-Aug-2004 at 11:33 |
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Who is/are your favorite Ottoman rulers? Mine is obviously Sultn Mehmed II.
Portrait of Mehmed II drawn by Gentile Bellini
Tuğra (Signature) of Mehmed II
Apart from him, I also like Murad I, Mehmed I and Selm III. |
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Tobodai
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Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 13:39 |
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WOW thats a cool signature! I think I like Suelimon (bad spelling) th emost |
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"the people are nothing but a great beast...
I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
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TheDiplomat
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 04:35 |
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Tobodai,do you think should have Suleiman conquered Germany?(he had the oppurtunity!)
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ARDA:The best Turkish diplomat ever!
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Tonifranz
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Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 06:52 |
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Suleiman the Magnificent! He defeated the Hungarians at Mohacs, and conquered Hungary. He even besieged Vienna.
He would be too overextended, and too far from his bases of supply. Basically, it was poor supply lines that caused the siege of Vienna to fail. Besides, Vienna during that time was considered part of Germany, so he tried, and he failed. Even if he conquered Germany, he would be too overextended to hold it for long. Plus he would have to face assaults from hundreds of German states, and the other powers of Europe. |
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Guests
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Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 10:13 |
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My favorite is Bayezid I who was surnamed "the Thunderbolt".
He took Konya, Antalya, Nidge, Karaman, Kayseri, Tokat, Sivas, Kastamonu, Amasya, and all Ancient Minor Asia as far as Euphrate. In Europe, he attacked Valachia, Hungary, Bosnia and during 7 years Constantinople. He defeated Sigismond of Hungary and a Christian army composed of French, German, English and Italian knights, Bulgarian infantry and Hungarian army! It was the famous battle of Nicopolis.
Bayazed occupied Thessalia and Peloponnese (with Athens). He was going to Roma...but Timur, an another genius, stopped him.
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ihsan
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Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 14:13 |
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Many say Sultn Sleymn I was the greatest Ottoman ruler, but I disagree with them (incluiding professional historians).
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TJK
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Posted: 26-Aug-2004 at 17:44 |
What is the reason of your disagreemnt ? The problem of succesor to throne ? |
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Jagatai Khan
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Posted: 06-Sep-2004 at 11:15 |
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I also wondered... Btw my favourite is still Sultan Mahmud II. |
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ihsan
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Posted: 07-Sep-2004 at 15:49 |
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He killed two of his sons; one of them would have been a very good administrator and the other one was a very good warrior. He also spent most of the state treasury on endless wars with Safavid Iran and the Habsburgs. |
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Jagatai Khan
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Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 09:07 |
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Oh,you must hate Sultan Selim I. |
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ihsan
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Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 13:27 |
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I don't like him much either
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Posted: 12-Sep-2004 at 23:08 |
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The greatest ottoman sultans were: Sultan Suleyman Kannuni I, Sultan Mehmed II Han El-Fatih, Sultan Selim I Yavuz, Sultan Bayazid I Yildirim, Sultan Koca Murad II, Sultan Murad I Gazi, Sultan Murad IV, Sultan Bayazid II Veli, Sultan Mahmud II, Sultan Mahmud I, Sultan Abdulhamid II, Sultan Mustafa II and Sultan Selim III.....
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Gallipoli
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Posted: 14-Sep-2004 at 10:25 |
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Selim III and Mahmut II. I think Mahmut II. was the Ataturk of the Ottoman Empire... |
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Berosus
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Posted: 14-Sep-2004 at 20:57 |
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Suleiman would have had to kill more than just those sons, if Selim I
hadn't done the grisly job for him. Remember that in the 15th and
16th centuries, it was required that a sultan have his brothers
strangled with a silken bowstring, so that there would be no power
struggle for the throne. That is part of the reason why the
Ottoman Empire was the most efficient Moslem state in history.
When the latter sultans took to confining the princes in separate
apartments, with the heir to the throne in a two-story tower called The
Cage, the solution turned out to be worse than the problem.
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Nothing truly great is achieved through moderation.--Prof. M.A.R. Barker
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Moustafa Pasha
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Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 22:54 |
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Ghazi Sultan Mehmet II :He was he true founder of the Ottoman Empire.He established an empire in Europe and asia with its capital at Istanbul,which was to remain the nucleus of the Ottoman Empire for four centuries.He used the title"Sovereign of the two lands -Rumelia and Anatolia-and of the two seas-Mediterranean and the Black Sea.He was a warrior who strove for world dominion but who was at the same time a man of tolerance and culture. Click om the website below to view pictures of Osmanli Sultans:
http://almashriq.hiof.no/turkey/900/950/956/sultans/list.htm l
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 28-Mar-2006 at 22:59 |
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suleiman, the best leader the ottoman empire ever had, and he took the ottoman empire to its height. after him it was a slow decline.
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"If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War
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DayI
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 05:53 |
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Pers4life; I agree suleiman whas the greatest but in his times the declining of Ottomans begon. He killed his oldest son Mustapha who's should the next Padishah/sultan, reason whas that he did try to talk with the Saffavids -whas actually a rumour about it. Tough he knowed it whas a wrong decission to hang him up...
No one mentioned II Abdlhamid, because of him we won the WWI, he let opened engineering schools, military schools, many universities, let made raillways from Istanbul till Mecca! Because of him the Ottoman empire survived 33 years longer then expected... |
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 13:53 |
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do they teach you that in turkey? they say that you won the war? |
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"If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War
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Mortaza
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 14:02 |
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Yeah, we expanded our borders east,west and north, and lost from south. what do you think about this? |
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Iranian41ife
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Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 14:09 |
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wow, and these turks wonder why we say that they are learning propaganda. instead of taking my word for it, i suggest your read on the subject of world war one yourself, from a non turkish source. |
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"If they attack Iran, of course I will fight. But I will be fighting to defend Iran... my land. I will not be fighting for the government and the nuclear cause." ~ Hamid, veteran of the Iran Iraq War
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