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    Posted: 29-Mar-2006 at 14:18

I am joking, dont become so naive. we know, we lost ww1. what he means is, most probably we survived until colapse of russian, If ottomans fell before rusians, we would have realy bad situation.

By the way, what I said is true. After independence war, we expand our borders at three way(east,west and south), but they dont compensate what we lost at south.

 
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Mehmed V resad 
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No one mentioned II Abdlhamid, because of him we won the WWI, he let opened engineering schools, military schools, many universities, let made raillways from Istanbul till Mecca!

Because of him the Ottoman empire survived 33 years longer then expected...

This is not true. Thanks to Abdulhamid, we lost the First Balkan War, which we could have won, or at least have a less disastrous defeat, if we had the military in World War I (which was the Ittihat ve Terakki military, not Hamidiye military). Abdulhamid was paranoid, and he feared the military officers (he was right in that actually) so he oppressed everyone and kept the military weak. He didn't let the military train, and made them keep the equipment locked away.

Germans built that railroad, not him. Germans wanted to extend their influence to the East. Finally he didn't extend the life of the empire 33 years, he just stayed in power 33 years.
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Originally posted by Mortaza

By the way, what I said is true. After independence war, we expand our borders at three way(east,west and south), but they dont compensate what we lost at south.

thats not world war one though. the war of "independence" from ottoman ruel happened after world war one. it was a totally different war.
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Attaturk is my fav
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ataturk wasnt an ottoman leader.
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the poor guy wanted to post smth about history for once... and you threw it in his face..! 
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Suleyman the Magnificient...

The bloody Sultan? the least favorite (well he is not actually a favorite) for
me...
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Originally posted by prsn41ife

wow, and these turks wonder why we say that they are learning propaganda.

instead of taking my word for it, i suggest your read on the subject of world war one yourself, from a non turkish source.

well sorry my mistake, i meand we won our independence war by him (abdulhamit).
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Mehmed V resad 
hmm why is our Digenis became so friendly? Or did you read what whas on To Vima newspaper few days ago?
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Originally posted by Digenis

Mehmed V resad 
hmm why is our Digenis became so friendly? Or did you read what whas on To Vima newspaper few days ago?

Something tells me that Mehmet V will become my favourite as well
What was on Vima newspaper? Do you know how many days ago?
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Mhment the conquerer if my favorite, i also admire Orkhan and Bayazit I.

 

 
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 I think Muhammed II al Fatih and Bayzid I was the best Sultans in all directions even though the defeat of Ankra 1402 A.D Bayzid still a great sultan he build the real foundation of the empire and what ensure that was the quick revival after collapse.

 
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Mehmed V resad 
i think youre also wright, his 2 sons where brilliant soldiers, one of them even got the highest medaillon of the germans.
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Honestly my favorite is ataturk
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