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Topic: were aryans white? Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 21:33 |
the reason i am asking if aryans were white, how come most indians or even many iranians are not whites?
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Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 23:43 |
First tell me what "white" means than I'll answer your question.
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 00:03 |
he probably means caucasian, or european looking
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 00:29 |
some have white traits though, like eye color
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 00:34 |
Well then the areas that now comprise the modern states of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh have been called the "musume of races". So it should not be any surprise that there are many people who show "European features" or look European while others look Chinese, or Arab or African or mixed. All exist in that area.
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 00:53 |
This question arises only if you consider the western Hypothesis of Arya migration, which is blatantly false. None of the people in the Indian subcontinent are White as in the europeans. Iraninas are also fair but not white.
Aryan is not a racial term. Only the Europeans propounded this hypothesis. None of our literature or tradition have any mention of a migration.
And most of the ruling dieties of aryans are black. Another proof.
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 01:56 |
"And most of the ruling dieties of aryans are black"
Wa, thats cool!!!
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 03:34 |
And most of the ruling dieties of aryans are black. Another proof |
If they were Black then why the discrimination against their own kind.
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 03:42 |
Who is discriminating against the black colour ?
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 04:23 |
If you talk about the theoretical ethnic group that spoke an Aryan language that developed into various Indo-Iranian languages, that you can work it out yourself. This is the only possibly accepted but still not universally agreed use of the term "Aryan".
If you talk about the mythical "Aryan" race, as propagated by white supremacists like the Nazis, it's entirely up to you what colour they were.
They are the product of pure fantasy, and as such they could be white, black, blue and white striped or rainbow-coloured. Use your imagination.
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 04:54 |
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma
Who is discriminating against the black colour ? |
Bollywood.
But Sparten had the nost appropriate response. What does 'white' mean? Albinos are white. Everybody else is some shade of reddish-brown-yellow.
I don't know what the colour of gods is supposed to have to do with anything, either.
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 04:55 |
Aren't some hindu gods blue?
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 05:03 |
well one has a elephant head and another is a monkey so i never understood what his point was. maybe aryans were big nosed or hairy?
Edited by Leonidas - 18-Oct-2006 at 05:05
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 05:07 |
Originally posted by Komnenos
If you talk about the theoretical ethnic group that spoke an Aryan language that developed into various Indo-Iranian languages, that you can work it out yourself. This is the only possibly accepted but still not universally agreed use of the term "Aryan".
If you talk about the mythical "Aryan" race, as propagated by white supremacists like the Nazis, it's entirely up to you what colour they were.
They are the product of pure fantasy, and as such they could be white, black, blue and white striped or rainbow-coloured. Use your imagination. |
Komenos, you expressed it perfectly. These divides are created by historians to explain some of their theories not without looking into the actual history. Ancient Indian history records many races, all of whom are Arya (if they are good / noble ) or Anarya (if they are bad, An means not Arya).they all existed together, simultaneously. This includes the Mongoloid race also. Essentially the conflict between Aryas & Anaryas was a matter of belief. The Aryas were Brahamic while the Anaryas were abrahamic (not brahamic, a means not )
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 11:51 |
If you talk about the mythical "Aryan" race, as propagated by white
supremacists like the Nazis, it's entirely up to you what colour they
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But were not. Aryans were/are thought to be Iranians (migrated) or non-Dravidians who were the upper echelon of society. Like how the untouchables are the darkest ones.
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 12:09 |
That is hogwash, the caste system deduces purely social standing, NOT race. You get very dark skinned Brahmins and you get light skinned untouchables.
Back to the point: My guess is that they were originally fair, or white, caucasoids - and that is as far as their affinity with racist Euro ideals went...
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 12:10 |
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma
Who is discriminating against the black colour ?
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isn't the hindu caste system based on skin color, with white being at the highest?
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 12:18 |
The caste system was based upon the organization of society into four
distinct classes. The criteria for this classification was originally
the color of the skin and later occupation. The four distinct castes
were: 1. Brahmins (priests) who had the exclusive right to perform
Vedic rituals and Vedic studies, 2. Kshatriyas (warriors), whose
responsibility it was to protect the people, wage wars and rule the
lands, 3. Vaishyas (traders), who had the right to engage in trade and
commerce and own the agricultural lands and 4. Shudras (the unclean)
who had the burden of serving the other three communities in
discharging their respective duties. Apart from these, there were
untouchables, who lived outside the communities and were not allowed to
enter freely the towns and villages. They were assigned the menial jobs
and kept out of sight an out of reach.
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_caste.asp
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 12:21 |
That is hogwash, the caste system deduces purely social standing, NOT
race. You get very dark skinned Brahmins and you get light skinned
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I watched a documentary that gave the impression that there is alot of underlying racism between the ethnic groups.
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Posted: 18-Oct-2006 at 12:24 |
An Indian can probably give you a better idea... Brahmin's do not look different from their surrounding populations as far as I have seen.
If you call caste discrimination, racism then fair enough... But int his very city that I am in right now not 100 years ago a working class man would get beaten up and/or thrown in jail for venturing into richer areas. In fact, upper class vrs working class in the UK very much reflected a similar situation between Indian castes right up until WW1.
Edited by Zagros - 18-Oct-2006 at 12:27
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