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Omar al Hashim
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Topic: Democracy,compatible with huge population Posted: 22-Apr-2007 at 22:01 |
Communism isn't compatable with wealth (its the whole point isn't it), but education on the other hand has done very well in Communist countries. Communist countries have excellent records in literacy, numeracy, and Russia was at the forefront of scientific discovery in its communist days.
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Posted: 17-Apr-2007 at 07:39 |
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim
I think that was the point Adalwolf.
most of them don't even have primary education and vote emotionaly for parties that they connect with personal ideas or experiances.Such voting leeds to the electing of communist and nationalist parties. |
The communist government in Kerala state India is doing very well thank you. But then again - Kerala does have one of the highest education levels in India. Damn communists, they even educate people!
It's the only choice if you value the rights of the individual. |
Democracy doesn't protect the rights of the individual at all. It values the rights of the biggest mob. I much prefer military dictatorship (with a good dictator) for rights.
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Well,i don't know about Kerala but i know of atleast 20 states where all educated and wealthy people were massacred by the poor and stupid when communists came.It was the idea that everybody should be equal-equally stupid and poor.And a "communist" government is something that doesn't exist in ant country in the world.There are socialist governments like those in China and Cuba but none of them is communist.Communism is the highest form of socialism and it isn't compatable neither with education nor with wealth.
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Posted: 16-Apr-2007 at 21:17 |
I think that was the point Adalwolf.
most of them don't even have primary education and vote emotionaly for
parties that they connect with personal ideas or experiances.Such
voting leeds to the electing of communist and nationalist parties. |
The communist government in Kerala state India is doing very well thank you. But then again - Kerala does have one of the highest education levels in India. Damn communists, they even educate people!
It's the only choice if you value the rights of the individual. |
Democracy doesn't protect the rights of the individual at all. It values the rights of the biggest mob. I much prefer military dictatorship (with a good dictator) for rights.
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Posted: 16-Apr-2007 at 17:39 |
Originally posted by Northman
If there should be regulations for voting, it should be this:
If your income is in the top 30% bracket, you cant vote. That would level things out and could provide more equality for everyone.
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What?! That is crazy! Just because people have high paying jobs they can't vote?! That is just as bad as saying poor people can't vote because they are poor and uneducated!
Edited by Adalwolf - 16-Apr-2007 at 17:39
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Posted: 09-Apr-2007 at 04:39 |
Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. -- Winston Churchill
Democracy is also the most difficult form of government of all - but who promised it would be easy? It's the only choice if you value the rights of the individual.
"At least high school education to vote?" - that would exclude most people from voting, specially poor people.
But who cares about poor people? - they have nothing for anyone to rob - only poverty, and who wants that?
Of course anyone should be able to vote, regardless of education, wealth, faith and so on.
If there should be regulations for voting, it should be this:
If your income is in the top 30% bracket, you cant vote. That would level things out and could provide more equality for everyone.
The ideal society is where only few has too much, and even fewer too little. You need democracy for that.
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Posted: 08-Apr-2007 at 22:15 |
Originally posted by Jagiello
IThis might sound like oligarchy but that kind of "citizenship" in Rome for example worked perffectly,although it wasn't democracy.Just imagine if we put this way of giving "citizenship" only to people that graduated and are considered educated and only they can vote. |
Sounds very interesting. But it still would not be fair for the lare majority of people who are unable to recieve an education. Their voice should be heard as well.
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Posted: 08-Apr-2007 at 13:55 |
Imo the "democracy" is compatible with huge populations, if country has only two political parties.
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Posted: 08-Apr-2007 at 13:25 |
Democracy seems to fail as soon as the numbers rise to 2 people, unless one is considerably stronger than the other.
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Posted: 08-Apr-2007 at 13:05 |
I allso think it's not compatible with huge amounts of people simply because most of them don't even have primary education and vote emotionaly for parties that they connect with personal ideas or experiances.Such voting leeds to the electing of communist and nationalist parties.The best form of democracy for me is when only people that graduated College or University or atleast High school can vote.It's simply not fare for me that the vote of an educated Doctor of science or even a Proffesor is equal to the vote of an idiot that can't even read for example but votes because he was prommised good future from a party.This might sound like oligarchy but that kind of "citizenship" in Rome for example worked perffectly,although it wasn't democracy.Just imagine if we put this way of giving "citizenship" only to people that graduated and are considered educated and only they can vote.It would not be somekind of aristocrathic title and would not be recieved as a heritage.If you remember because of the "stupid" crowds did communism prosper in many countries and the intelectual groups were destroyed.
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Posted: 08-Apr-2007 at 10:40 |
Depends on the type of democracy I would say...
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Posted: 07-Apr-2007 at 07:50 |
As long as it is not direct democracy which was applied in Athens, and which we can see examples in today's Switzerland, like Janus said, it totally becomes an oligarchy. Because after the representatives are elected, they have no responsibility towards the people and they don't have to give an account...
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Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 15:51 |
No, it becomes an oligarchal dictatorship because those who have established themselves in power can play different elements of the population against each other for their (the ones in power) benefit.
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Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 14:20 |
Some times i wonder whether democracy is actually compatible in States with huge populations,like China or India( those examples are strictly used for their populations numbers ,and not for their current political system).Can it actually be succesfull in countries with really big populations?
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