Democracy,compatible with huge population

fXXK,do u know how hardlife living in china?u will know why we need democracy like water

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Originally posted by opuslola Then, it appears that the great intellect calling him/her self "TGS", has very little regard for his less than intellectual fellow citizens and neighbors! How sad, TGS must really be a lonely person? I have no respect for people who choose to be dumb, correct. Thats a choice. No one is less intellectual than anyone else, some choose to better themselves through education, others choose to lie to themselves and keep themselves misinformed. Thats atleast 40% of the US population.

You are delusional. Obama has been President for less than two years, he inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression and Republicans are blocking every effort to fix it...

And you still blame Obama? You're blind to the truth because you dont like the fact that a black man is in charge. Simple truth. Go to another one of your racist neo-Nazi Tea Parties and cry about it.




Edited by TheGreatSimba - 04-Sep-2010 at 14:11

I really think the women's right issue that got mixed up with religion, should be in a separate thread.  Historically when people have plenty of food and life is relatively easy, women are treated well.  When life is hard, women have not been treated well, regardless of the religion.   When credit Christianity with all we value and enjoy, it is just wrong.  This is erroneous idea of what Christianity has done for us, prevents us from understanding truth, and from having any rational discussion of democracy.

Jefferson wrote of Laws and Nature and Nature's God.  He got this understanding of the Laws of Nature from Cicero and others also influenced by Cicero and other ancient Greek and Roman documents.  This is a completely different world view from any religion gives us, and this different world view is essential to democracy.  Judaism is not God's truth, and neither are the religions built on Judaism, Christian or Islam.  Christians practiced throwing stones and slavery, as did Muslims practice throwing stones and slavery.  Saying one religion is better than the other, is just wrong.  What made our lives better and lead to democracy is the Greek and Roman classics.  A democracy demands truth as it is understood through a study of nature.  All our ideas of human rights, comes from the ancient understanding of nature and humans, not religion based on a humanized God who has favorites and rule by whim depending on if He is pleased or not.  If you are going to discuss democracy, we must shed religions notions, and get to the Laws of Nature and Nature's God, and the humanities. 

To understand modern democracies and NAZI of Fascist Germany we must understand

In the past, personal and political liberty depended to a considerable extant upon government inefficiency.  The spirit of tyranny was always more than willing; but its organization and material equipment were generally weak.  Progressive science and technology have changed all this completely.    Aldous Huxley

German bureaucracy is Prussian military bureaucracy applied to citizens.  This is what makes social programs like Social Security possible.  Numbering citizens as we do with Social Security cards, and computers, are essential to the modern democratic governments.  The computer began with cards coded with holes and sorted with something like a knitting needle.   We need to understand this technological development to also understand the power of the government above us.  Forget Hitler, it is the progressive science and technology, including the evolved technology of bureaucratic organization, that means we are no longing living in the democracy of our forefathers.  Can anyone put what I have said in his own words, so we might discuss what is really important to the question of this thread?  

I dont see Opusola invading the Sudatenland any time soon.

I think your citizen's response represents well the ignorance of US citizens. I opened a thread about the US and Muslim history with hope of decreasing ignnarcance with facts from history. Our ignorance is shameful.

Did you begin this thread with the Barbary Wars? It was our first major contact the Islamic world as a young nation.

Is it ignorance or poliical correctness?

What one might call Islamphobic I call islamorealism.

Furthermore, the Christian history of the treatment of women is not that good. The problem begins with the stroy of Adam and Eve. This story is told differently in the Quaran and I like the difference
http://islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/335-womennorights .   My grandmother was a teacher and she could not buy a home without a man signing for her. Fortunately she was a white woman, and not a black slave with a Christian slave ower. Come on women's liberation is not that far away. Sexism and what Christianity has to do with it is a whole different subject, but your attempt to bask Obama by bashing Islam and Muslims is not cool.   It is not complete truth, and becomes destorted truth equal to a lie.

Hmmmmm!
Why do you divert the topic by trying to dig up the evils and errors of Christianity? Slavery in some Muslim nations continued into the 1990's. The abolition movement was heavily influenced by Christianity but nowhere has there been an abolition movement is Islam that compares to what happened in the west. Women in Western First world nations have more freedom today than since the ancient Minoan cultures but other than Turkey look at the Islamic world today.   

I am not sure what you mean by this - attempt to bask Obama-??? I have spent time in a Muslim country and yes most are good people and only want to survive like the rest of us. Still, there is a segment of their population who want to force Sharia law on the world and restore the Caliphate to rule a pan Islamic Empire- Isamorealism. Some liberals are so blinded by their addiction to multi culturalism that they do not see the real threat if the hit them in the rear.

Is it Islamorealism or bashing- look at current event and then study history. Maybe this will help you with history!

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Stenhouse/crusades.01.htm

Originally posted by opuslola Well, my dear Carolus! I hope you read the response from the good Liberal, and Progressive TGS above? What a wonderful and lovable guy or gal? I use both sexes since TGS has never revealed anything about him or her self! Competing on this site of ideas and revolutions, is like talking to a statue! Thus, many, if not all the time, I resort to English retorts that I would expect to see whenever the head of England goes before Parliment! Smart ass it is! And, unfortunately, I am also somewhat of a "smart ass!", and it is by ridicule, and taking the words of TGS, and turning them upon his/her self that makes my posts fun! Yes, I love the reparte'! But, I have noticed over my 64 years, that most women do not! But, it seems, in general you are mostly a minority of one! Liralou, or how ever she spells her name is the only other female respondent on this site, as far as I know, but perhaps TGS is also a female? You see, I just cannot stop making jabs at TGS! It is way too much fun! I promote nothing by ancient American values! Please note that keeping Slaves or others under the fear of Law, like indentured servants, is not in that list! But, keeping people whose entire life is devoted to destroying the America that made America great, protected from "hateful" speech, is only found in the eye of the reader!

Originally posted by opuslola And here is another one, that is funny! "Subject: I reckon it's comin' Three strangers strike up a conversation in the passenger lounge in the Bozeman , Montana airport, while waiting for their respective flights.. One is an American Indian passing through from Lame Deer, another is a Cowboy on his way to Billings for a livestock show, and the third passenger is a fundamentalist Arab student, newly arrived at Montana State University from the Middle East .... Their discussion drifts to their diverse cultures. Soon, the two Westerners learn that the Arab is a devout, radical Muslim and the conversation falls into an uneasy lull. The cowboy leans back in his chair, crosses his boots on a magazine table, tips his big sweat-stained hat forward over his face, and lights a cigarette. Finally, the American Indian clears his throat and softly he speaks, 'At one time here... my people were many... but sadly, now we are few.' The Muslim student raises an eyebrow and leans forward, 'Once my people were few,' he sneers, 'and now we are many. Why do you suppose that is?' The cowboy removes his cigarette from his mouth and from the darkness beneath his Stetson says in a smooth drawl .. . . 'I reckon that's 'cause we ain't played Cowboys and Muslims yet, But I do believe it's a-comin'.'" Sad, but funny! Cause I do believe it is also coming! Unless the radical Muslims get stopped by the non-radical Muslims! But, I really don't see much chance of that happening!

Can democracy support all of the above?

Here is another hate filled post, found on the inter-net!

"Barack OBAMA,
during his Cairo speech, said:   
"I know, too, that Islam has always been a part
of America 's story."

AN AMERICAN
CITIZEN'S RESPONSE:


Dear Mr.
Obama:



Were those
Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims
first landed? Funny, I thought they were
Native American Indians.



Were those
Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving
day? Sorry again, those were Pilgrims and
Native American Indians.



Can you
show me one Muslim signature on the United
States Constitution?


Declaration
of Independence ?


Bill of
Rights?


Didn't
think so.


Did
Muslims fight for this country's freedom from
England ? No.


Did
Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the
slaves in America ? No, they did
not. In fact, Muslims to this day are
still the largest traffickers in human
slavery. Your own half brother, a devout
Muslim, still advocates slavery himself, even
though Muslims of Arabic descent refer to black
Muslims as "pug nosed slaves." Says a lot
of what the Muslim world really thinks of your
family's "rich Islamic heritage," doesn't it Mr.
Obama?


Where were
Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this
country? Not present.


There are
no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking
side by side with Martin Luther King, Jr. or
helping to advance the cause of Civil
Rights.


Where were
Muslims during this country's Woman's Suffrage
era? Again, not present. In fact,
devout Muslims demand that women are subservient
to men in the Islamic culture. So much so,
that often they are beaten for not wearing the
'hajib' or for talking to a man who is not a
direct family member or their husband.
Yep, the Muslims are all for women's rights,
aren't they?

Where were
Muslims during World War II? They were
aligned with Adolf Hitler. The Muslim
grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler,
reviewed the troops and accepted support from
the Nazi's in killing Jews.


Finally,
Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th,
2001? If they weren't flying planes into
the World Trade Center , the Pentagon or a field
in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on
our own soil, they were rejoicing in the Middle
East . No one can dispute the pictures
shown from all parts of the Muslim world
celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other
cable news networks that day. Strangely,
the very "moderate" Muslims who's asses you bent
over backwards to kiss in Cairo , Egypt on June
4th were stone cold silent post 9-11. To
many Americans, their silence has meant approval
for the acts of that day.


And THAT, Mr.
Obama, is the "rich heritage" Muslims have here
in America .

Oh, I'm sorry, I
forgot to mention the Barbary Pirates.
They were Muslim.

And now we can
add November 5, 2009 - the slaughter of American
soldiers at Fort Hood by a Muslim major who is a
doctor and a psychiatrist who was supposed to be
counseling soldiers returning from battle in
Iraq and Afghanistan .


That, Mr. Obama
is the "Muslim heritage" in America"

Or is it the truth?