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    Posted: 22-Oct-2011 at 05:05
Originally posted by black11122

fXXK,do u know how hardlife living in china?u will know why we need democracy like water

I think we can understand where you're coming from black11122, and I agree that the democratic process, not strictly democracy, is more conducive to a more fulfilling existence.Smile  
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fXXK,do u know how hardlife living in china?u will know why we need democracy like water
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Nov-2010 at 18:24
So Athena, just what benefit of our society are you willing to give up or pay much more for? Cheap energy? Cheap water? Cheap food? Cheap Oil/gas? Cheap paper? Cheap computers? Cheap TV's, Cheap booze?, Cheap dope?, etc.?

It is either the above, or consider the elimination of at least 40% of the population of the world? At least that seems to be the only alternative!

Should we all move into high-rise apartment buildings near the center of our towns and cities? Should we let our estates in the country revert to either farmland or forests? Should we dig up our highways and get rid of currency and revert to a trade society? Should we give up gas guzzling airplanes? If we give up highways, and Airplanes, just how do we travel?

From where comes the money to build efficent railroads, where rail lines have been torn up for the last 50 years or so?

Do we heat each other in the winter by snuggling? Do we cool ourselves in the summer by going naked and staying in the shade? Do we make our own rain barrels to collect rain-water for drinking? What happens if there is a drought? What happens if there is a big storm or earth quake, or volcanic eruption?

Do we shut down mental retardation centers and concentrate on the manufacture of "soylent green?"

What if, what if?

You see there are no "serious" alternatives!

There only exists problems too big to comprehend!

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  Quote Athena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Nov-2010 at 17:55
Originally posted by TheGreatSimba

Originally posted by opuslola



Then, it appears that the great intellect calling him/her self "TGS", has very little regard for his less than intellectual fellow citizens and neighbors! How sad, TGS must really be a lonely person?


I have no respect for people who choose to be dumb, correct. Thats a choice. No one is less intellectual than anyone else, some choose to better themselves through education, others choose to lie to themselves and keep themselves misinformed.

Thats atleast 40% of the US population.LOL
 
This is why we must educate for an understanding democracy.  The folks who are dying now, beccause of their age, had a good understanding of the importance of being well informed, and of the danger of ignorance. 
 
For example, we are about to exhaust the world's supply of phosphorus.  Within 50 years, fertilizer manufactors will no longer have high quality phosphorus, as the supply will be exhausted.  There will only be low quality phosphorus left.  Much of this is contaminated with radium and other elements we don't want to add to our food, but all life, the very structure of DNA for plant and animal live, depends on it, so if all that is left is bad quality phosphorus, it will enter our food chain.  In the meantime we are using phosphorus for many things besides food, like laundry soap.  This is pretty serious ignorance.  So is deforesting regions serious ignorance, of over populating areas and consuming much more water than nature can replace fast enough.  People who pay no attention to science, but instead study their holy books, are a seriously threat to our survival today.  This was not so in the past, when the human population was small and nature provided more than enough of everything.  Today, with large and growing populations and the exhaustion of resources, ignorance is a world wide survival problem.  This is what we must get people to understand and the connection between this reality and democracy.   40% of the world's population can destroy the planet if they have enough money and power to use finite resources in ways we should not use them.  
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2010 at 16:46
As you and your high-school must know, I never really supported either Bush, rather I voted against the worst candidate, which just seems to always be a Democrat!

I am for voting out "EVERYONE!", do ya'll get it?

Republicans, Independents, Democrats, Socialists, etc.!

The entire bunch, which is ultimately responsable for the situation that we are in!

Could your group of high school friends also vote them all out? Even if you were old enough to vote?

And, if the above is insulting, then it is your problem! You have never revealed anything about your self, if there really is a self, and thus I can refer to you as a group of High School students, if I want!

Honesty is usually the best policy! Which is something we have not seen from most politicians for the last 40 or so years!

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  Quote TheGreatSimba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Sep-2010 at 14:10
You are delusional. Obama has been President for less than two years, he inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression and Republicans are blocking every effort to fix it...

And you still blame Obama? You're blind to the truth because you dont like the fact that a black man is in charge. Simple truth. Go to another one of your racist neo-Nazi Tea Parties and cry about it.




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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 18:55
If I might be so rude, I would suggest that our current President Obama, owes his election to "Women!" Women, and especially non-African American Women, provided the greatest lift to his victory!

Do you Carol, now feel used and abused?

Or, are you happy how things have turned out?

By now, all arrows of injustice that have in the past been shot at the Bush's, have run out! This current problem is now the very heart of President Obama and his advisors! He has, in the vernacular "shot his wad" and it did not work!

His extreem supporters like TGS, are mad at him because they feel he has let them down!

His extreem opponents, now point the finger of blame upon him and his "progressive" and failed policies!

Just what can we expect this man to do next? Should he renounce his failed policies, or should he again go back to Bush, and blame him and his Republican cronies?

And, as the esteemed TGS wrote earlier;

"I know Opuslola is a lost cause, but I'm sure some can still be saved." Just what does TGS propose to do with those of us who cannot be saved? It is attitides like that that scare me, and other like me!

Those words sound so very Maoist, or Pol Potist!

Just what are those that are "unsaved" to expect?

I would like to ask TGS, or rather he/she is nothing more than a group of teen-aged students, who band together to post "progressive" or "extreem Liberal" sound bites into numerous inter-net sites!

I rather think TGS is a group (think tank) rather than a person!


Regards Madame!

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I really think the women's right issue that got mixed up with religion, should be in a separate thread.  Historically when people have plenty of food and life is relatively easy, women are treated well.  When life is hard, women have not been treated well, regardless of the religion.   When credit Christianity with all we value and enjoy, it is just wrong.  This is erroneous idea of what Christianity has done for us, prevents us from understanding truth, and from having any rational discussion of democracy.

Jefferson wrote of Laws and Nature and Nature's God.  He got this understanding of the Laws of Nature from Cicero and others also influenced by Cicero and other ancient Greek and Roman documents.  This is a completely different world view from any religion gives us, and this different world view is essential to democracy.  Judaism is not God's truth, and neither are the religions built on Judaism, Christian or Islam.  Christians practiced throwing stones and slavery, as did Muslims practice throwing stones and slavery.  Saying one religion is better than the other, is just wrong.  What made our lives better and lead to democracy is the Greek and Roman classics.  A democracy demands truth as it is understood through a study of nature.  All our ideas of human rights, comes from the ancient understanding of nature and humans, not religion based on a humanized God who has favorites and rule by whim depending on if He is pleased or not.  If you are going to discuss democracy, we must shed religions notions, and get to the Laws of Nature and Nature's God, and the humanities. 

To understand modern democracies and NAZI of Fascist Germany we must understand
  In the past, personal and political liberty depended to a considerable extant upon government inefficiency.  The spirit of tyranny was always more than willing; but its organization and material equipment were generally weak.  Progressive science and technology have changed all this completely.    Aldous Huxley 


German bureaucracy is Prussian military bureaucracy applied to citizens.  This is what makes social programs like Social Security possible.  Numbering citizens as we do with Social Security cards, and computers, are essential to the modern democratic governments.  The computer began with cards coded with holes and sorted with something like a knitting needle.   We need to understand this technological development to also understand the power of the government above us.  Forget Hitler, it is the progressive science and technology, including the evolved technology of bureaucratic organization, that means we are no longing living in the democracy of our forefathers.  Can anyone put what I have said in his own words, so we might discuss what is really important to the question of this thread?  


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 16:36
Alabama Yes! Sudatenland, Never! It is college football season isn't it?

Regards to all of you! And thanks for the good words Carol, and eaglecap, and that irritating little insect, Mosquito!

And thanks for the reparte' DW and TGS, etal.! It has been good and I hope, good natured fun!

But, as always, I could well be wrong since I am somewhat of a "Madman!", and "hopeless cause!"
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I dont see Opusola invading the Sudatenland any time soon.
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  Quote eaglecap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 13:23
I looked at the first post by good ole Spartakus and we all have really gone off topic and I said we all have.

I would suggest starting a new thread on this topic. Maybe it can be Islam and freedom or whatever.
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I think your citizen's response represents well the ignorance of US citizens. I opened a thread about the US and Muslim history with hope of decreasing ignnarcance with facts from history. Our ignorance is shameful.

Did you begin this thread with the Barbary Wars? It was our first major contact the Islamic world as a young nation.

Is it ignorance or poliical correctness?

What one might call Islamphobic I call islamorealism.

Furthermore, the Christian history of the treatment of women is not that good. The problem begins with the stroy of Adam and Eve. This story is told differently in the Quaran and I like the difference
http://islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/335-womennorights .   My grandmother was a teacher and she could not buy a home without a man signing for her. Fortunately she was a white woman, and not a black slave with a Christian slave ower. Come on women's liberation is not that far away. Sexism and what Christianity has to do with it is a whole different subject, but your attempt to bask Obama by bashing Islam and Muslims is not cool.   It is not complete truth, and becomes destorted truth equal to a lie.

Hmmmmm!
Why do you divert the topic by trying to dig up the evils and errors of Christianity? Slavery in some Muslim nations continued into the 1990's. The abolition movement was heavily influenced by Christianity but nowhere has there been an abolition movement is Islam that compares to what happened in the west. Women in Western First world nations have more freedom today than since the ancient Minoan cultures but other than Turkey look at the Islamic world today.   

I am not sure what you mean by this - attempt to bask Obama-??? I have spent time in a Muslim country and yes most are good people and only want to survive like the rest of us. Still, there is a segment of their population who want to force Sharia law on the world and restore the Caliphate to rule a pan Islamic Empire- Isamorealism. Some liberals are so blinded by their addiction to multi culturalism that they do not see the real threat if the hit them in the rear.

Is it Islamorealism or bashing- look at current event and then study history. Maybe this will help you with history!

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  Quote TheGreatSimba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 12:47
At DW, a lot of people also decided to ignore the Nazis too, now look what happened. Will we let history repeat itself? Should we allow the sheep to flock to Hitler (i.e Beck) without even trying to reason with them?

I know Opuslola is a lost cause, but I'm sure some can still be saved.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 12:33
Originally posted by opuslola

Well, my dear Carolus! I hope you read the response from the good Liberal, and Progressive TGS above?

What a wonderful and lovable guy or gal? I use both sexes since TGS has never revealed anything about him or her self!

Competing on this site of ideas and revolutions, is like talking to a statue!

Thus, many, if not all the time, I resort to English retorts that I would expect to see whenever the head of England goes before Parliment!

Smart ass it is! And, unfortunately, I am also somewhat of a "smart ass!", and it is by ridicule, and taking the words of TGS, and turning them upon his/her self that makes my posts fun!

Yes, I love the reparte'! But, I have noticed over my 64 years, that most women do not!

But, it seems, in general you are mostly a minority of one! Liralou, or how ever she spells her name is the only other female respondent on this site, as far as I know, but perhaps TGS is also a female?

You see, I just cannot stop making jabs at TGS! It is way too much fun!

I promote nothing by ancient American values! Please note that keeping Slaves or others under the fear of Law, like indentured servants, is not in that list!

But, keeping people whose entire life is devoted to destroying the America that made America great, protected from "hateful" speech, is only found in the eye of the reader!
 
Opuslola, communicating with us is not equal to talking to statues, because we feel.  When you disrespect us, what we feel is not good, and I know it leads me to retaliation and equal intentional words of disrespect.  You seem to handle being disrespected better than I do.   But as for enjoying dropping the bombs on people, I can enjoy that very much.  I just learned that is abusives and started feeling ashamed of myself when I do that, instead of being proud of the bad behavior.   In forums that do nothing to curb this bad behavior, things get really bad, and anyone with something of value to say leaves.   Here, you curb your bad behavior by expressing your humanness, and this is very helpful in causing me to drop my anger and have good feelings about you. 
 
The democracy we had, no longer exist.  It has been replaced with the New World Order that is actually Prussian, not German, but we know it as German, because the Prussians did not have the resources required for power.  Germany had the resources, and the Prussians took over the control of Germany, EXACTLY AS US CITIZENS HAVE SURRENDED THE TO SAME BREAUCRATIC ORGANIZATION AND EDUCATION.   This can be called the New World Order or the Industial Military Complex.  This is shapes our reality, not literacy in Greek and Roman classics and liberal education, and weak government.  
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Originally posted by TheGreatSimba

Opuslola is a delusional fanatic. Wow, I'm astonished how similar Hitlers movement is to Becks. Its amazing how history repeats itself.
 
I have been writing about this for a few years, and I want to demystify why the present New World Order is similar to the New World Order defeated in the second world war.  The US adopted the German model of bureaucracy and the German model of education for technology- for military and industrial purpose.  The bureaucratic model and education go together, as students are prepared to serve the Military Industrial Complex.  This is actually a cultural change with social and political ramifications.  Eisenhower explained this when he spoke of the Industrial Military Complex.  This is perhaps the most important thing for a history forum to discuss, but to have a discussion, people need to be informed enough to discuss a subject, and that hasn't happened yet.  This is a most frustration situation for me, sometimes leading to me being banned from forums. 
 
We have totally reversed our democracy from very weak government and individuals having a lot of liberty and power, to citizens no longer have liberty and power and government being very strong.  This is still a democracy, but it is nothing like the democracy we had before adopting German Bureaucracy and education.  Understanding this is very important to the question of this thread.
 
Perhaps this will help.  I have offer this before.  Sara H. Fahey, an English teacher, quoted India seer Tagore at the 1917 National Education Conference. 
 
Whatever their effeciency, such great organizations are so impersonal that they bear down on the individual lives of the people like a hydraulic press whose action is completely impersonal  and therefore completely crushing out liberty and power. 
 
The more understand we have about adopting the German model of bureaucracy and replacing our liberal education with the German model, the more meaningful that quote is.  Without the greater understanding we do not get the meaning and do not realize the dramatic change in the USA that brings us the Bush family boosting of the USA being the New World Order.   It is really hard today, because we think of our change as improvement, not as being like our enemy.   We learn of only the good reasons for changes, not the cost in individual liberty and power.  I don't think we would every return to the democracy we had, but we really need awareness of the change, so we balance that change with some wisdom. 
 
It is even more difficult because this also has to be a discussion of religion and God.  Germany was the seat of the Holy Roman Empire and the Protestant Reformation.  Germany was a strong Christian nation as has the US been a strong Christian nation.  This relationship to authority is not healthy for a democracy.   Ignorance of Greek and Roman classics is not healthy for democracy. 
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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 07:46
Originally posted by opuslola

And here is another one, that is funny!

"Subject: I reckon it's comin'







Three strangers strike up a conversation in the passenger lounge in the Bozeman , Montana airport, while waiting for their respective flights..


One is an American Indian passing through from Lame Deer, another is a Cowboy on his way to Billings for a livestock show, and the third passenger is a fundamentalist Arab student, newly arrived at Montana State University from the Middle East ....

Their discussion drifts to their diverse cultures. Soon, the two Westerners learn that the Arab is a devout, radical Muslim and the conversation falls into an uneasy lull.

The cowboy leans back in his chair, crosses his boots on a magazine table, tips his big sweat-stained hat forward over his face, and lights a cigarette.


Finally, the American Indian clears his throat and softly he speaks, 'At one time here... my people were many... but sadly, now we are few.'

The Muslim student raises an eyebrow and leans forward,
'Once my people were few,' he sneers, 'and now we are many. Why do you suppose that is?'


The cowboy removes his cigarette from his mouth and from the darkness beneath his Stetson says in a smooth drawl .. . .


'I reckon that's 'cause we ain't played Cowboys and Muslims yet,
But I do believe it's a-comin'.'"

Sad, but funny! Cause I do believe it is also coming! Unless the radical Muslims get stopped by the non-radical Muslims!

But, I really don't see much chance of that happening!

 
 
haha, i like it ;)
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Originally posted by opuslola

Here is another hate filled post, found on the inter-net!

"Barack OBAMA,
during his Cairo speech, said:   
"I know, too, that Islam has always been a part
of America 's story."

AN AMERICAN
CITIZEN'S RESPONSE:


Dear Mr.
Obama:



Were those
Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims
first landed? Funny, I thought they were
Native American Indians.



Were those
Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving
day? Sorry again, those were Pilgrims and
Native American Indians.



Can you
show me one Muslim signature on the United
States Constitution?


Declaration
of Independence ?


Bill of
Rights?


Didn't
think so.


Did
Muslims fight for this country's freedom from
England ? No.


Did
Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the
slaves in America ? No, they did
not. In fact, Muslims to this day are
still the largest traffickers in human
slavery. Your own half brother, a devout
Muslim, still advocates slavery himself, even
though Muslims of Arabic descent refer to black
Muslims as "pug nosed slaves." Says a lot
of what the Muslim world really thinks of your
family's "rich Islamic heritage," doesn't it Mr.
Obama?


Where were
Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this
country? Not present.


There are
no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking
side by side with Martin Luther King, Jr. or
helping to advance the cause of Civil
Rights.


Where were
Muslims during this country's Woman's Suffrage
era? Again, not present. In fact,
devout Muslims demand that women are subservient
to men in the Islamic culture. So much so,
that often they are beaten for not wearing the
'hajib' or for talking to a man who is not a
direct family member or their husband.
Yep, the Muslims are all for women's rights,
aren't they?

Where were
Muslims during World War II? They were
aligned with Adolf Hitler. The Muslim
grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler,
reviewed the troops and accepted support from
the Nazi's in killing Jews.


Finally,
Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th,
2001? If they weren't flying planes into
the World Trade Center , the Pentagon or a field
in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on
our own soil, they were rejoicing in the Middle
East . No one can dispute the pictures
shown from all parts of the Muslim world
celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other
cable news networks that day. Strangely,
the very "moderate" Muslims who's asses you bent
over backwards to kiss in Cairo , Egypt on June
4th were stone cold silent post 9-11. To
many Americans, their silence has meant approval
for the acts of that day.


And THAT, Mr.
Obama, is the "rich heritage" Muslims have here
in America .

Oh, I'm sorry, I
forgot to mention the Barbary Pirates.
They were Muslim.

And now we can
add November 5, 2009 - the slaughter of American
soldiers at Fort Hood by a Muslim major who is a
doctor and a psychiatrist who was supposed to be
counseling soldiers returning from battle in
Iraq and Afghanistan .


That, Mr. Obama
is the "Muslim heritage" in America"

Or is it the truth?
 
I think your citizen's response represents well the ignorance of US citizens.  I opened a thread about the US and Muslim history with hope of decreasing ignnarcance with facts from history.  Our ignorance is shameful. 
 
Furthermore, the Christian history of the treatment of women is not that good.  The problem begins with the stroy of Adam and Eve.  This story is told differently in the Quaran and I like the difference
http://islamnewsroom.com/news-we-need/335-womennorights .   My grandmother was a teacher and she could not buy a home without a man signing for her.  Fortunately she was a white woman, and not a black slave with a Christian slave ower.  Come on women's liberation is not that far away.  Sexism and what Christianity has to do with it  is a whole different subject, but your attempt to bask Obama by bashing Islam and Muslims is not cool.   It is not complete truth, and becomes destorted truth equal to a lie.  


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Sep-2010 at 20:23
Can democracy support all of the above?
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And, in todays news, here is a guy that TGS alone can really love!

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/01/gunman-holding-people-hostage-in-discovery-channel-building/

Yes, an environmentalist nut case!

Thanks to Al Gore, and his allies!
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Here is another hate filled post, found on the inter-net!

"Barack OBAMA,
during his Cairo speech, said:   
"I know, too, that Islam has always been a part
of America 's story."

AN AMERICAN
CITIZEN'S RESPONSE:


Dear Mr.
Obama:



Were those
Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims
first landed? Funny, I thought they were
Native American Indians.



Were those
Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving
day? Sorry again, those were Pilgrims and
Native American Indians.



Can you
show me one Muslim signature on the United
States Constitution?


Declaration
of Independence ?


Bill of
Rights?


Didn't
think so.


Did
Muslims fight for this country's freedom from
England ? No.


Did
Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the
slaves in America ? No, they did
not. In fact, Muslims to this day are
still the largest traffickers in human
slavery. Your own half brother, a devout
Muslim, still advocates slavery himself, even
though Muslims of Arabic descent refer to black
Muslims as "pug nosed slaves." Says a lot
of what the Muslim world really thinks of your
family's "rich Islamic heritage," doesn't it Mr.
Obama?


Where were
Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this
country? Not present.


There are
no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking
side by side with Martin Luther King, Jr. or
helping to advance the cause of Civil
Rights.


Where were
Muslims during this country's Woman's Suffrage
era? Again, not present. In fact,
devout Muslims demand that women are subservient
to men in the Islamic culture. So much so,
that often they are beaten for not wearing the
'hajib' or for talking to a man who is not a
direct family member or their husband.
Yep, the Muslims are all for women's rights,
aren't they?

Where were
Muslims during World War II? They were
aligned with Adolf Hitler. The Muslim
grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler,
reviewed the troops and accepted support from
the Nazi's in killing Jews.


Finally,
Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th,
2001? If they weren't flying planes into
the World Trade Center , the Pentagon or a field
in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on
our own soil, they were rejoicing in the Middle
East . No one can dispute the pictures
shown from all parts of the Muslim world
celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other
cable news networks that day. Strangely,
the very "moderate" Muslims who's asses you bent
over backwards to kiss in Cairo , Egypt on June
4th were stone cold silent post 9-11. To
many Americans, their silence has meant approval
for the acts of that day.


And THAT, Mr.
Obama, is the "rich heritage" Muslims have here
in America .

Oh, I'm sorry, I
forgot to mention the Barbary Pirates.
They were Muslim.

And now we can
add November 5, 2009 - the slaughter of American
soldiers at Fort Hood by a Muslim major who is a
doctor and a psychiatrist who was supposed to be
counseling soldiers returning from battle in
Iraq and Afghanistan .


That, Mr. Obama
is the "Muslim heritage" in America"

Or is it the truth?
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