Algerian Genocide!!!

İn my opinion to make laws about history is nonsense. Turkey is guilty becaouse of  TCK.301, Franse guilty because genocide law. Both laws are unacceptible.

Edited by erkut - 09-Oct-2006 at 15:49

The Convention (in article 2) defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:"

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

 

Under those terms any massacre can be called a Genocide.

Originally posted by Mortaza I don't understand why the hell there couldn't be both a Genocide in Armenia and several massacres in Algeria. I don't understand why the hell there couldn't be both a Genocide in Algeria and several massacres in Armenia.

Algeria 350,000 dead in 8 years including those of the fighting between French terrorist OAS (non governmental actually they've tried a few times to kill the French president and one or two coups as well) and FLN. So that is 43,750 a year. Too much but still less than the US in Vietnam for example. That's around 4,5% of the population.

Armenia: According to the account given further up: almost 1,300,000 in 1914, 300,000 in 1918 that's (if we concider there were two years of massacre) that's 500,000 a year that is over 12 times worst.  That is also around 70% of the population.

Well that's pretty clear to me.

Originally posted by Bulldog You have world support? I don't think so, its not Internationally Recognised, some countries have agreed there was a genocide and left it at that.

It is internationaly recognised, not worldwide (it'll never be since Turkey probably won't ever recognise it). But it is internationaly recognised.

Mamikan Infact acording to this defination, what ottoman did is absolutely genocide, like what france did.

There but one big difference between the Ottoman Empire and France which you did not include in your defintion. It is the intent. France was not intent on killing Algerians, they died because of War. A colony is not a colony if no one lives there. The Ottoman Empire however was intent on getting rid of Armenian, seeing how they were deported from everywhere in Anatolia.

Sure, some Armenians died from war (directly) also, but how do you explain the deaths of those who were living in central Anatolia, far away form all of the battle fronts.

War between PKK and Turkey

War between Algerian Independence Fighters (lets call them AKK) and France

now you see? the only difference is Algerians won, and also sustained more casualties

I would like you Turks, to comment on that fact Turkey exports more, and not slightly more but a lot more, light weapons than France does.

Turkey exports $30,000,000 of light weapons a year, France exports $400,000 a year.

Those weapons are the ones with the highest civilian death toll. Each time France sells a boat it's hundreds of millions that are involved, so in total France sells for more money in heavy weapons, but these weapons are sold to government supposed to be responsible they are too expensive for militias and can't be lost by governments for obvious reasons. Turkey sells more rifles, machine guns, portable missile systems and grenades than France, these are the ones killing civilians by thousands and thousands in Africa and all around the world. They are the one that are involved in the highest amount of slaughter.