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Topic: Cities of great contributions to mankind - Edited. Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 22:58 |
Cities of great contributions to mankind - Edited 08-Oct-2006.
Dear all who've posted in this thread so far,
Your time/effort was not a waste. I've made major changes, and have managed to include just about every city that you nominated up to now during the thread. Please have a look. I hope this makes up for the unfairness of having excluded so many deserving cities.
Best wishes.
Edited by Hellios - 11-Oct-2006 at 15:21
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 23:10 |
Historic Men of Athens (scroll pointer over faces for names):
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Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 23:42 |
Hard to judge. All the above-mentioned cities have made contributions. I would consider London and NYC to be late-comers in the club; they have mostly contibuted in 20th century cinvilization as centers of culture and the arts. As a born Athenian, I might be biased towards the latter. By the way, the mouse doesn't work; to my shame, I only recognize Pericles on bottom right corner. Would you please post the names of these apparently famous men?
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 00:18 |
others, baghdad.
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 00:25 |
Ancient City Centre (Acropolis):
Ancient Complete City (Acropolis was small compared to the entire city):
A preservation nightmare:
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 00:26 |
The ancient indian citys and chinese as well as Athens. Equal in philosphys and Sciences
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 00:27 |
I don't know which one is the most important, but my guesses are:
Athens (the origin of phylosophy and modern science)
Alexandria (The most sophisticated city of classical times)
Rome (What would one say about it? Superb! A city 1500 years ahead of its time, and the real origin of Western Civilization)
Cordoba (Al-Andalus capital, and starter of the European wake up)
Venice (Outstanding Middle Age's superpower)
Florence (Renacense)
London (Moden times superpower capital and the center of the industrial and scientific revolutions)
Tenochtitlan (The Aztec city; the most outstanding city in the New World)
(I don't include any city of the U.S. because in there not all the functions are in a single city but widespread across that country. If I have to chose from one in the U.S. I will say Philadelphia's of Franklin times.)
Of all of them I believe the top one is Alexandria.
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 00:32 |
Originally posted by sirius99
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Yes, I'll add Ctesiphon now, thx.
Edit: I can't add any more voting options - seems there's a limit.
Edited by Hellios - 08-Oct-2006 at 04:13
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 00:41 |
Originally posted by konstantinius
Hard to judge. All the above-mentioned cities have made contributions. I would consider London and NYC to be late-comers in the club; they have mostly contibuted in 20th century cinvilization as centers of culture and the arts. As a born Athenian, I might be biased towards the latter. By the way, the mouse doesn't work; to my shame, I only recognize Pericles on bottom right corner. Would you please post the names of these apparently famous men?
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 00:46 |
How can there be a list without Jerusalam. Babylon was a country not a city. Indian Pataliputra needs to be their.
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 00:50 |
Originally posted by BigL
The ancient indian citys and chinese as well as Athens. Equal in philosphys and Sciences |
Hey BigL. I included the major Chinese city, and I thought of Mumbai but there's a limit on voting options.
Edited by Hellios - 05-Oct-2006 at 07:48
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 01:34 |
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma
How can there be a list without Jerusalam. Babylon was a country not a city. Indian Pataliputra needs to be their. |
Hi Vivek Sharma
1. Because Jerusalem's contribution was mainly religious.
2. Babylon not a city? Then what was this city called?
Perhaps you meant the Babylon Empire or Babylonia as the "country"?
3. Why does Pataliputra need to be there?
Edited by Hellios - 05-Oct-2006 at 03:53
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 03:26 |
@ Hellios I'm afraid you are wrong when you say Jerusalem influence was ONLY religious. The influence of religion upon politics and thought in general is and was tremendous. That said I don't think Jerusalem diserves to be called the most important city of all times as ultimately its symbolic value is huge but the real value tends to be a bit less clear.
Actually I do not really know what city to pick. (partly because I know nothing of the History of the lands on the East of the Indus.)
Yet here would be my potential top ten: 10 Ur, the first one. 09 Los Angeles (or maybe Las Vegas) city of the future or the last city. 08 Cairo (more than Bagdad) long term center of Islam, born three times. 07 Paris the first ber-centralized capital of a Nation-State (well Madrid and Lisbon may be first but are not as successful on the long term). 06 Athen, well it is self evident 05 Venice, the first real entrepot and the city that is a piece of art 04 London, center of the political, economical and scientific world for more than 200 years (and what years!) 03 NYC center of a decentralized world, the richest in history 02 Jerusalem 01 Sorry to be Euro-centrist but defently Rome THE urbs the one and only city.
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 05:38 |
Originally posted by Maharbbal
@ Hellios I'm afraid you are wrong when you say Jerusalem influence was ONLY religious. The influence of religion upon politics and thought in general is and was tremendous. That said I don't think Jerusalem diserves to be called the most important city of all times as ultimately its symbolic value is huge but the real value tends to be a bit less clear.
Actually I do not really know what city to pick. (partly because I know nothing of the History of the lands on the East of the Indus.)
Yet here would be my potential top ten: 10 Ur, the first one. 09 Los Angeles (or maybe Las Vegas) city of the future or the last city. 08 Cairo (more than Bagdad) long term center of Islam, born three times. 07 Paris the first ber-centralized capital of a Nation-State (well Madrid and Lisbon may be first but are not as successful on the long term). 06 Athen, well it is self evident 05 Venice, the first real entrepot and the city that is a piece of art 04 London, center of the political, economical and scientific world for more than 200 years (and what years!) 03 NYC center of a decentralized world, the richest in history 02 Jerusalem 01 Sorry to be Euro-centrist but defently Rome THE urbs the one and only city.
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Hi Maharbbal.
I said Jerusalem's contribution was mainly religious, and for certain religions only. I agree with you that Jerusalem might be 1 of the most significant cities for Islam/Judaism/Christianity, and also agree that these 3 religions have influenced politics & thought like you said, but I'm not so sure about religion & politics being such a great mix.
Edited by Hellios - 08-Oct-2006 at 06:27
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 06:35 |
Athens
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 06:41 |
Weren't the post Christ events related to jerusalam. Wht would have been the course of Hisotry if Jerusalam didn't exist, No Christ, & the chain reaction further. Pelestine, jews ... would they have been the same ?
You asked why does Pataliputra need to be their ? Well why do London, New York, Paris, Babylon need to be their ? It needs to be their for the same reason that Athens, Rome, Constantinople need to be their.
For a hint, Alexander's dream of coquering the world was shattered to pieces because his army afraid of the pataliputra army, refused to march into India to fight with the army of Pataliputra forcing him to go back.
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 08:37 |
I would like to nominate Cambridge,
some of the students of the university and their contributions :-
Isaac Newton, establishes the fundamental principles of
modern Physics including laws of motion, the constituent parts of light and the
universal law of gravitation.
Charles Babbage constructs early mechanical calculator (1812)
Charles Darwin, theory of evolution
James Clark Maxwell, electromagnetic radiation
JJ Thompson, discovers the electron and the foundation of
electronics
Jawaharial Nehru, Prime Minister of India
Sir Fredric Gowland Hopkins, discovers vitamins
Maurice Wilkes, first digital computer to store a programme
John croft & Ernest Watson, split the atom for the first
time, giving birth to nuclear physics
Frank whittle, patents the first jet engine, first jet powered
plane flies 1941
Watson & Crick discover the structure of DNA
Sir Charles Oatley, First scanning electric microscope
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 09:31 |
I would be tempted to swap Cambridge
for London in your poll, far more
scientific research came out of Oxford
& Cambridge than London.
Londons main
contribution is generating vast sums of money from share trading, good for the U.K.
not really much benefit to mankind as a whole.
However a few contributions from London
include -
Penicillin,
discovered at St. Marys hospital ( Alexandra Flemming )
Electromagnetic induction, the electric motor and electricity
generation ( Michael Faraday )
Edward Jenner Vaccines, the first was for smallpox
Edited to say the Chinese might have just beaten Edward to
claim the first vaccinations - by 2000 years !
Edited by Lotus - 05-Oct-2006 at 09:38
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 09:49 |
Athens of course.
Philosophy, Politics, Buildings, Naval constructions, Strategies, Colonizations, Poetry, Architecture, Civil rights, law system
Does we need more?
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Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 10:53 |
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma
How can there be a list without Jerusalam. Babylon was a country not a city. Indian Pataliputra needs to be their. |
I believe UR should be considered first, and also Jerico.
Athens and Rome are really the core of Western Civilization, and Alexandria should be taken more seriously as the top one of the classical world.
For Jerusalem, yes, it was important from the historical and religious point of view, but in its times was nothing more that the capital of a small "third world" country.
As for Indian cities, why not Harappa or Mohenho Dahro? Sorry, but I have no clue about Pataliputra (A Gupta city perhaps?). The fact is the later is not very famous in the West at all.
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