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    Posted: 30-Sep-2006 at 16:09
How so?  It depends on the unit that is depicted, in my opinion.  The rider looks accurate because he has on the klibanion and a Norman-like helmet.  If he is a kataphraktos, the horse armor would largely be full-body lamellar, with perhaps a plate head covering.  The Byzantines did make some plate.  If he is a Pronoiar cavalryman, however, his armament is a bit more open to debate for lack of source descriptions.

I don't know. It would seem to me that most Byzantine cavalrymen would lack full horse armor by the period in MTW2. But again, I'm not an expert on this topic. Smile

Yes I have read that too. I fail to see how can historical accuracy be uninteresting for the gamers.
Appears that CA is targeting for 12-14 age gamer group who like arcade games and cliking fest.
This is wierd.

I guess it's pretty cool to have units in full armor. Smile

I think it's understandable why these games cannot be accurate - because they aren't made for a historian audience. For example, in RTW, if they had been accurate and not made Egypt a chariot-based army, many casual gamers would be confused as to why they don't have chariots.
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Here you can see the unit roster for the Byzantines.
In my opinon the roster isn't very accurate (who the hell are Trebizond archers)
 
Oh cool, thanks for pointing to this!  I share your frustration with the "Trebizond Archers." Some of discussed this problem in the other thread on MTW2.  While the Caucasus and the mountains surrounding Trebizond were known for producing stout archers, there was no officially-named unit for them in the Byzantine army. 

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Though some units seems to be interesting ones like "Byzantine Guard archers" --> can someone clarify if this missile infantry type ever existed ??
 
Yeah, there seem to be a lot of vaguely named units for the Byzantines.  They were correct about the tzakones being local militia, but they augmented campaign armies and sometimes garrisoned kastra (forts).
 
But there was a specific word designating crossbowmen of the Byzantines: the tzangatores.  These were the troops who usually garrisoned castles and kastra.  I wish they had named these instead of the vague archer units! Cry
 
Some other problems I noticed from the list:
 
Pronoia soldiers listed under "Byzantine Infantry."  The Pronoiars were almost exclusively cavalrymen, with perhaps a page or groom.  The pic of the infantry looks good; they are wearing klibania.
 
The "Byzantine Lancers" look more like what I envisioned for the Pronoia Cavalry.  Where did they get the vague term "Lancers?"
 
The kataphraktoi riders should be wearing both the klibanion and a chain mail suit underneath, including chain facemask and coif, if they are to be considered the heaviest-armored unit of the Byzantines.  There are depictions of such riders in various manuscripts, such as the Alexander Romance of the 14th century.
 
The "Spear/Pike Infantry" should be called the skutatoi - this was the Byzantine heavy infantry unit.
 
I was happy to see that the Byzantines are given primitive bombard cannons in the late period.  They did have some of these, although they were imported from the Balkans and Western Europe.  However, it does not look like they will be given any infantry gunners.  I think allowing them to train some hand-cannoneers (not arquebusiers) would be appropriate.
 
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"Yes I have read that too. I fail to see how can historical accuracy be uninteresting for the gamers.
Appears that CA is targeting for 12-14 age gamer group who like arcade games and cliking fest.
This is wierd."


Involves a a great veriety of tactics not a game to test speed and clicking. Try playing total war online.
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Im going to get the game, but I dont think my true experience with it will begin until the moder's get their hands on it. RTR made the regular campaign pale in comparison..
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The name of a unit shouldnt stop anyone from purchasing the game and enjoying the play.
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go IGN check the Holy Roman Empire and Turks.both are breathtaking.

(turks have elephants lol)
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İn MTW 1 Turks were arabizized by amkers,is in this game also?
 
And what about Timur Empire,did they made them like Turkic?
 
 
 
I haven't played the demo,ı will play when my computer magazine came =(
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And what about Timur Empire,did they made them like Turkic?
 
 
 

No, they made Timurids look like gypsies.
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I'm very angry those Total War maker's!They didn't get across the players that timurids are Turkic huh?!!!Angry

 
Could you tell me about Turkish faction and mamelukes,what are they look like?
 
Many thanks,full game will come Turkey in 15th day of this month.
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I just learned Timurids are unplayable.
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Originally posted by axeman


Originally posted by Turk Nomad

And what about Timur Empire,did they made them like Turkic?



No, they made Timurids look like gypsies.
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no they are playable and they are Turkic in the game
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Posts: 405 		  Quote Batu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 19:18
sorry Timurids are only playable in MP not in singleplayer.
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I'm very angry those Total War maker's!They didn'tget acrossthe players thattimurids are Turkic huh?!!!

Err, can you define 'Turkic' please?




    
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Posts: 405 		  Quote Batu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2006 at 00:36
it means has Turkish characteristic.
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I mean it was a Turk Empire.

 
I want to play with them...Can mod makers do this?
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a guy in this forum is conducting a mod about this.his name was Nestorian i guess.
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This is a quality game! Does anyone else find that it cuts off every so often (during a battle usually) and doesn't let you back in?
 
PS- know where I can download a patch?
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wait for the Kingdoms expansion pack or check out the total war official site.
 
    so what about the Kingdoms pack? I liked it.we got the Irish,we got the crusade campains.I dont know much about the expansion though.
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Just bought M2:Kingdoms a few days ago. I am currently playing the Americas Campaign. I am playing as New Spain, and currently fighting the French. 
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