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Kuu-ukko
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Topic: World AD 600-700 Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 14:02 |
Hello everyone! I would like to have ANY information on this era,
including empires/kingdoms, rulers, calamities etc. etc. If you think
that there shouldn't be military info on this thread, just let me know,
and I'll make another thread on it's proper palce.
Thank you in advance!
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Europe as we know was in the clutches of the Dark Ages. Arabia would be unified by the successors of Mohammed and this century would see their violent expansion across much of the modern Islamic World. The Byzantine Empire would lose control of Egypt and the Middle East to the Arab Muslims in the latter half of this century, but they would develop Greek fire. And China would reach a golden age under the glorious Tang dynasty.
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Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 17:15 |
Originally posted by Genghis
Europe as we know was in the clutches of the Dark Ages. Arabia would be unified by the successors of Mohammed and this century would see their violent expansion across much of the modern Islamic World. The Byzantine Empire would lose control of Egypt and the Middle East to the Arab Muslims in the latter half of this century, but they would develop Greek fire. And China would reach a golden age under the glorious Tang dynasty. |
Or Europe had just emerged from the Dark Ages of Roman oppression and a variety of localised civilisations flourished across the continent.
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Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 18:02 |
Originally posted by Paul
Originally posted by Genghis
Europe as we know was in the clutches of the Dark Ages. Arabia would be unified by the successors of Mohammed and this century would see their violent expansion across much of the modern Islamic World. The Byzantine Empire would lose control of Egypt and the Middle East to the Arab Muslims in the latter half of this century, but they would develop Greek fire. And China would reach a golden age under the glorious Tang dynasty. |
Or Europe had just emerged from the Dark Ages of Roman oppression and a variety of localised civilisations flourished across the continent.
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Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 18:33 |
This era has just passed over the Mesoamerican Classical age and Koreas many kingdoms are fighting it out with Chinese and Japanese interference. Certainly though Muslim expansion is he biggest thing that happens here.
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Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 20:43 |
And you want a short answer?
Could you narrow this down for us a bit - European History? Asian? Byzantine? Socio-political? Religious?
A short and very incomplete list would be:
Ca. 600
The Byzantines were losing control of most of western Europe - Justinian's Roman Empire is falling apart The Visigoths had an established their kingdom in Spain The Frankish Merovingians are fighting between themselves for control of Astrasia and Neustria The Lombards were establishing their kingdom in Northern Italy The Angles and Saxons are establishing control of Britain The Slavs are migrating into the Balkans
The Bulgars are making their presence known The Avar kingdom grows along the Danube
Pope Gregory was making sweeping changes in the structure and influence of the Roman church Many of these groups were not yet christianized - some were pagan - some were Arian Latinized Irish monks are establishing missions across Europe (St. Columba) Kohsrow I (the Just)- greatest of the Sassanid kings - has raised the level of Persian civilization and expanded it's borders The Japanese were ejected from their holdings in Korea The empress Suiko is ruling Japan through her son contact with China establishes Buddhism in Japan The Chinese emperor Yang Di is assassinated and the Tang dynasty is founded Nestorian Missionaries preach in China The city of Teotihuacan is at its peak Islam does not yet exist the Kok Turkish Empire covers much of central Asia - Turkic tribes are involved in events in China, Persia and eastern Europe
By Ca. 700
The Venerable Bede was recording English history The Anglo Saxon kingdoms had become Christian and controlled most of England Germany was becoming Christianized Charles Martel was about to become Frankish King The Byzantine Empire had been reduced to holdings in the Balkans, Anatolia and the Aegean Sea The Islamic Caliphate ruled from the Indus through Persia, Arabia, Syria, Egypt, North Africa and Spain Islam as already divided between the Shiite followers of Ali and the Sunni followers of Mu' awiyah The Koran was codified The Tang dynasty in China has taken large portions of central Asia and several of the Korean states Buddhism had become the national religion of Japan Both China and Japan were ruled by Empresses Porcelain had been invented
A few links to timelines that might help to get you started
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/
http://www.historylink101.com/\
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/splash.htm
http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/worldciv/referenc/wr ldtime.htm
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001196.html
http://campus.northpark.edu/history/WebChron/
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Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 20:54 |
Originally posted by vagabond
The Japanese were ejected from their holdings in Korea
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Argh I hate this!
First of all what defines Japanese in this time period. Second of all
you are no doubt referring to the Federation of Gaya which was a
sovereign state. This is a remanent of Japanese Imperial History that
was tailored to suit their needs. "Oh we're annexing Korea to get back
lost land." It is generally accepted now that Gaya and Wa were
good amigos with great trade connections and a military alliance with
Baekje. Nothing more.
Sorry if I sounded a bit angry there Vagabond...but I didn't think I
had to deal with this anymore...ugh...I can't believe this is still
around.
Gaya
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
- This article is about the Gaya confederacy of ancient Korea. For other meanings of the term Gaya, see
isambiguation%29" title="Gaya (disambiguation)">Gaya (disambiguation).
Gaya (가야; 加耶, 伽耶, 伽倻, also known as
Garak (가락; 駕洛, 迦落, Gara (가라;
加羅, 伽羅, 迦羅, 柯羅,
Garyang(가량,加良, or Guya (구야, 狗耶 was a
confederacy of chiefdoms that existed in the Three
Kingdoms era in ancient Korea.
Gaya is thought to have arisen from a more ancient confederacy of chiefdoms called Byeonhan. The nature of the transition is not clear from historical sources. However, on the basis of
archeological sources as well as limited historical indications, scholars such as Cheol (2000) have identified the late third century AD as a period of transition from Byeonhan to Gaya. At this time
records show increasing military activity and changed funerary customs. This would also coincide in part with the decline of the
Chinese commanderies on the peninsula. Cheol (2000) further argues that this was
associated with the replacement of the previous elite in some principalities (including Daegaya) by elements from the Manchurian
kingdom of Buyeo, who brought a more militaristic style of rule.
According to a legend recorded in the Samguk Yusa, in the year 42, 6 eggs descended from the heaven with message that they would be kings. 6 eggs hatched and 6 boys
were born, and within 12 days they grew mature. One of them, named Suro (수로; 首露, became the king of
Geumgwan Gaya (금관 가야, and the other five
founded the other five Gayas, namely Daegaya (대가야, Seongsan Gaya (성산
가야, Ara Gaya (아라 가야, Goryeong Gaya (고령 가야, and Sogaya (소가야.
Different records list different chiefdoms of Gaya. Goryeo Saryak (고려사략; 高麗史略 lists
five; Geumgwan Gaya, Goryeong Gaya, Bihwa Gaya, Ara Gaya and Seongsan Gaya.
Situated around the mouth of the Nakdong River, an area with fertile
plains, access to the sea, and rich iron deposits, Gaya had an economy based on agriculture and fishing as well as trade. It was
particularly known for its ironworking, as Byeonhan had been before it. Gaya exported abundant quantities of iron armor and
weaponry to Baekje and the kingdom of Wa in Yamato period Japan. In contrast to the largely commercial and non-political ties of Byeonhan, Gaya seems to
have attempted to maintain strong political ties with these kingdoms as well.
The various Gaya mini-states formed a confederacy in the 2nd and 3rd centuries centred around Geumgwan Gaya in modern Gimhae. After a period of decline,
the confederacy was revived around the turn of the 5th and 6th centuries, this time centred around Daegaya of modern Goryeong, but it was unable to defend
itself for long against Silla and Baekje. In 562,
Daegaya, the last of the Gaya states, fell to Silla.
The nature of the relationship between the Japanese kingdom of Wa and the Gaya states has been a matter of extensive
controversy. Japanese scholars traditionally have argued, on the basis of various sources including the Nihonshoki, that Gaya was a colony or
tributary of Wa. Korean scholars have rejected this, on the basis of Korean
sources which make no mention of Japanese suzerainty. Today, most scholars regardless of nationality concede that the
relationship between Gaya and Wa was close, but not colonial.
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Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 21:47 |
Basically, Europe is at its dark age, Persia is getting conquered, India is having a brief unison, the Turks were the dominant powers until overthrwon by the Chinese, by the middle of this period, China is the dominant political force of the world, dominating over half of the world's population.(both India and China recognized recognized the power of the emperor what can you expect?) It was probably even more powerful than the United States today.
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Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 12:02 |
Kuu-ukko I hope that some of this helps
Gubukjanggoon - my goodness - you can read a lot into a single phrase. You have somehow interpreted a historical statement on the growth of the Silla kingdom as being a political commentary with Japanese Imperialistic overtones? That was not in any way my intent. One of the sources I consulted in trying to help Kuu-ukko said quite simply " ... the Korean kingdom of Silla rid itself of Japanese influence on the peninsula. The Japanese were now ejected from a coastal area which they had held .. " This is a simple statement of historical events that ocurred in the last half of the 6th c and was in no way intended to be a political statement.
The information on Gaya was very interesting, and quite informative - but well off topic - the question raised was about events that occurred around 600 - 700 AD. What modern societies have done to try and coopt these historical events to further their own political interests lies well beyond the scope of this thread. Please do not try to coopt this thread with the same intent.
Perhaps you can share with Kuu-ukko some things that did happen in that time period?
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Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 14:15 |
Originally posted by vagabond
And you want a short answer?
Could you narrow this down for us a bit - European History? Asian? Byzantine? Socio-political? Religious? |
No.
Sorry, but I'm interested in everything on the requested era, including the ones asked above.
This all has so far been very helpful and useful thank you !
PS. Does anyone know about the American and African cultures on this era?
Thank you.
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Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 14:32 |
Chinese- very strong. they rule eastern asia. Tang dynasty is found.
Turks- very strong. they rule most of asia from the eastern sea in the east, to the volga river in the west. Turkish migrations to eastern europe, scandinavia and eastern persia begins.
Arabs- slamic expansion begins, and they invade all middle east, noth africa, east africa, persia. some nations being converted to slam.
Bzynthines-powerful but loses middle east to Muslim Arabs. they are dominant in meditarinnean
European nations-they are weak after the fall of roman empire. they became christians and cannot be organised.
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Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 17:34 |
You misunderstood me Vagabond my amigo. The statement says " The
Japanese were ejected from their holdings in Korea" This is
directly referring to the confederation of Gaya. History of that kingdom up till now has been
the same as during the time of WW2..which I so ferociouisly
described. Basically Japanese historians(up to very recently)
have been claiming that Gaya was a Japanese Colony. Recent
studies show that this in fact was not true. That theory has now
been virtually debunked.
The Japanese did not lose their holdings in Korea as they never had
any. That is my point...hope that makes it clearer? Here's the part of the article I wanted to Emphasize
The nature of the relationship between the Japanese kingdom of Wa and the Gaya states has been a matter of extensive
controversy. Japanese scholars traditionally have argued, on the basis of various sources including the Nihonshoki, that Gaya was a colony or
tributary of Wa. Korean scholars have rejected this, on the basis of Korean
sources which make no mention of Japanese suzerainty. Today, most scholars regardless of nationality concede that the
relationship between Gaya and Wa was close, but not colonial.
If it's not referring to Gaya could you tell me what holdings Japan actually lost?
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Mesoamerica was on the Late Classic Period ( 600 AD - 900 AD ).
source: http://www.ukans.edu/~hoopes/506/Chronology.htm
Late Classic (AD 600 - 900) - The beginning of the Late Classic period is marked by major upheavals in central Mexico. Between AD 600 and 700, the center of Teotihuacan suffers from a dramatic decline, with repercussions throughout Mesoamerica. The city loses most of its population, either through warfare, disease, or abandonment. This is not an end to Teotihuacan's influence, which persists for several centuries through peoples descended from Teotihuacan lineages.
The period of the flourishing of Maya civilization in the Petn, Chiapas, western Honduras, and the Yucatn Peninsula. Populations of Maya centers like Tikal swell to almost 100,000 people, supported by intensive agricultural techniques that include raised fields and labor-intensive harvests. Maya architecture and artwork reach their highest expression, as evidenced by centers like Palenque, Yaxchiln, Copn, Dos Pilas, and Chichn Itz. Maya vase painting becomes a fine art, with depictions of Maya royal life and scenes from mythology (such as the Popol Vuh). Pyramid/tombs are constructed to honor Maya ahaus, whose lives are filled with ceremonial activities centering on bloodletting rituals, calendric events, dynastic rites of succession, and warfare with lords of other Maya centers. Around AD 800, there is evidence for a dramatic increase in the frequency, prevalence, and scale of warfare, which takes its toll on the social landscape. By the end of the Late Classic period, the ceremonial cycle of stela carving and the dedication of buildings comes to an end at most of the centers in the Petn, probably as a result of increased warfare and environmental stress. However, ritual activity continues in the northern Yucatn Peninsula, especially at sites like Chichn Itz and Uxmal.
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States during this era:
Alupa 585-788.
Alwah 580-1504.
Anuradhapura 161bce-1017.
Asturias 718-910.
Axsum 250-950.
Bamiyan 560-870.
Bana c700-950.
Benevento 571-1077.
Bonampak 603-795.
Bulgaria 681-1014.
Byzantium 711-1204, Isaurian Dynasty 717-820.
Caliphate 642-945, Ummayad Dynasty 661-750.
Calukya Dynasty 543-757.
Caracol 553-859.
Cera c200bce-804.
Champa 192-1471.
Chenla - Land 705-950.
Chenla - Water 705-802.
China 589-1279, Tang Dynasty 618-907.
Chinkultik c600-810.
Cholula c700-1292.
Copan 160-832.
Daura c700-1805.
Dongola 675-1323.
Dvaravati 705-1030.
East Turks 553-744.
Francia 481-888, Merovingian Dynasty 481-750.
Ganga 250-1004.
Ghana 300-1240.
Gilan 651-761.
Gurjara 730-1019, Gurjara-Pratihara Dynasty c730-1019.
Gurjaratra c700-750.
Haripunjaya 650-1292.
Italy 476-774.
Japan 604-Present, Yamato Dynasty 604-Present.
Kalakmul 514-810.
Kalinga 498-1434.
Kanauj 550-786.
Kashmir 530-940.
Khazars 626-965.
Mataram 732-1743.
Mercia 653-877.
Naranjo 682-810.
Northumbria 697-865.
Odra 647-757.
Palenque 431-799.
Pallava Dynasty c250-910.
Pandya Dynasty 560-1323.
Parhae 696-926.
Pyu c500-832.
Quirigua c600-810.
Saindava 724-915.
Shahi 699-1021.
Silla 674-900.
Somvamsis c700-1028.
Songhai 500-1898.
Spoleto 570-756.
Srivijaya 682-1275.
Teotihuacan c100bce-c750.
Tibet c600-840.
Tikal 219-869.
Tiwanaku 500-1000.
Uaxactun 219-889.
Utkala 647-950.
Valabhi 550-775, Maukhari Dynasty c550-c775.
Vengi 642-769.
Wari c500-c800.
Yaxchilan c600-808.
Zabul 699-870.
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Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 18:25 |
That's a lot of nations.
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Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 19:11 |
You forgot Frisia.
It was at its 'peak' during the 7th century. They even conquered Utrecht
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"Turks- very strong. they rule most of asia from the eastern sea in the east, to the volga river in the west. Turkish migrations to eastern europe, scandinavia and eastern persia begins."
Thats the 6th century not the 7th.
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Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 13:21 |
Yes, you are right. But the Gktrks still exist powerfully from the eastern sea to the caspian sea.
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Couldn't find a map of the world in 600-700...but I got pretty close
From http://www.worldhistorymaps.com
World in 586 A.D.
http://www.worldhistorymaps.com/maps/WA0586.htm
World in 736 A.D.
http://www.worldhistorymaps.com/maps/WA0736.htm
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