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coolstorm
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Topic: A question for Mongolian Chinese or Mongolian. Posted: 30-Nov-2004 at 19:33 |
When you studied history as a child, what were you taught?
I was taught that China was invaded by the Mongols.
And, the Mongols were described as voilent people.
Were you taught that you invaded China from a Mongolian point of view? Or you were invaded by the Mongols like the same I learned in middle school?
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warhead
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Posted: 30-Nov-2004 at 19:42 |
"When you studied history as a child, what were you taught?
I was taught than China was invaded by the Mongols."
They don't call it an invasion, they call it unification.
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Posted: 30-Nov-2004 at 19:55 |
In Hong Kong, they call it a Mongol invasion of China, which I think is an appropriate term to use.
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 30-Nov-2004 at 20:13 |
Where's Chono?....In the U.S. it's taught as an invasion...
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Posted: 30-Nov-2004 at 20:23 |
where's chono? i dun even know where and what it is haha...
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Posted: 30-Nov-2004 at 20:26 |
Chono is the resident Mongol.
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coolstorm
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Posted: 30-Nov-2004 at 20:28 |
you mean resident mongols in china?
i've heard that theres more mongolians in inner mongolia ar than the republic of mongolia is that true?
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Posted: 30-Nov-2004 at 20:29 |
No I meant he's the most well known mongol in this community.
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coolstorm
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Posted: 30-Nov-2004 at 20:30 |
what community?
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Posted: 30-Nov-2004 at 20:30 |
oh i got it. he's a member of this forum. sorry for being stupid...
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 30-Nov-2004 at 20:30 |
All Empires...we seem to have some trouble in communicating...
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Infini
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Posted: 30-Nov-2004 at 21:03 |
I was taught very lil about him from american schooling but they pretty much called them psychotic barbarians bent on killing the world. Made the Mongols seem like savages etc. Under Korean perspective it was very different
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Posted: 01-Dec-2004 at 04:44 |
In our schools we weren't taught very much about foreign expansions. The main topics were about what was happening in Mongolia. They said mongols were worse off invading other people. But then, we were using old socialist books and things might've changed since then. But in general, we in Mongolia don't really care very much about outside conquests as they didn't really change a lot. In case of China it is naturally taught that we've "conquered" them, but a difference is always made between "Zurchidiin Altan Uls" or Jin, which supposedly wasn't really China, and Song. And also they differentiate between invading and conquering.
I don't really know how they teach it in Inner Mongolia, must be something like warhead wrote.
Oh and I had a chance of studying in a russian midle school. Russians teach that tatar-mongols were savage and VERY numerous and invaded Russia. But, they say, russians fought so valiantly that the terrible tatars didn't have any strength left for Europe, so russians are the saviors of civilization. Mongols of Russia usually dislike this kind of history.
About us being violent, I think we're pretty violent, but who isn't?
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Posted: 01-Dec-2004 at 16:39 |
is that true that there are more ethic mongols in inner mongolia ar than the republic of mongolia?
i heard that the core part of ancient mongolia is within the boarder of china.
is that true?
and ancient chinese seldom killed unarmed civilians because of the confucian teachings promoting the idea of being a gentleman.
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Posted: 01-Dec-2004 at 19:01 |
Originally posted by coolstorm
is that true that there are more ethic mongols in inner mongolia ar than the republic of mongolia?
i heard that the core part of ancient mongolia is within the boarder of china.
is that true?
and ancient chinese seldom killed unarmed civilians because of the confucian teachings promoting the idea of being a gentleman. |
What does this have to do with the topic...and in regards to the above
statement I'm not too sure but does it really matter? One could
argue that the Core of Korean civilization is in Manchuria...
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Posted: 01-Dec-2004 at 19:07 |
i am just curious.
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Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 04:47 |
Depends on what you call Ancient Mongolia.
If you mean the core of the culture and statehood of steppe nomads then they always centered in the valley of river Orkhon, starting with Xiongnu down to today's Mongolia (well UB is not there, but the so called central-halh is there).
If it's mongols of Hamag Monggol Ulus, the predecessor of Mongol Empire, then it would be the Three Rivers territory, the territory between the rivers Tuul, Onon and Kherulen.
If you mean the Mongol Empire, their core was in the Orkhon valley - Karakorum.
If you mean Yuan, they centered in Beijing.
Northern Yuan? They camped around the place where now the city Bugat (Baotu) stands.
The Bogdo Theocracy? UB, the valley of river Tuul.
Obviously, we've retained the two most important areas from foreign encroachments, so I wouldn't say "core of Ancient Mongolia" is in China. Although two very important areas are within China, the Ordos plateau and Hulun-Buir region. And of course Bargujin is in Russia.
The population of Mongolia is 2,5 mil. and China has reportedly 6,4 mil. or something ethnic mongols. I personally think that the real accurate number is around 3,5 mil. There are many thousands of mongols who live outside Inner Mongolia.
I don't believe chinese didn't kill unarmed civilians. They sure did some decade ago. Did communism corrupt the purity of chinese gentlemanness or something?
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Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 07:25 |
i mean ancient chinese with confucian values.
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Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 13:43 |
"In case of China it is naturally taught that we've "conquered" them, but a difference is always made between "Zurchidiin Altan Uls" or Jin, which supposedly wasn't really China, and Song. And also they differentiate between invading and conquering."
In fact the term "conquer" is never taught in Chinese history and is solely restricted to western imperialism.
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Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 13:44 |
And that of Japan of course
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