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    Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 04:25
From most of books I read, Atilla is identified with Oriental (Eastern Asian) characters (yellowish skin, short, small eyes, flat nose as according to Priscus's encounter with Attila).
 
But why then in Hungary Attila (as a national hero in Hungary) is depicted as European like figure as well as in recent American movie Attila???
 
 
Is is because Europeans can not accept the fact that Attila is non-white? 


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Could be.  Most of the evidence suggests he was of Asiatic origin.  When you read how the Romans described the Huns, you get the impression that they were physically very different from the Romans.  They seem to be trying to describe a people with Mongoloid characteristics, which obviously seemed very strange to the Caucasian Romans.
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  Quote DayI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 05:06
Originally posted by Kids

From most of books I read, Atilla is identified with Oriental (Eastern Asian) characters (yellowish skin, short, small eyes, flat nose as according to Priscus's encounter with Attila).
 
But why then in Hungary Attila (as a national hero in Hungary) is depicted as European like figure as well as in recent American movie Attila???
 
 
Is is because Europeans can not accept the fact that Attila is non-white? 
where you got that picture from? Where is that statue in Hungary?
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This is another picture that depicts Attila as European in Hungary.
 
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The Feast of Attila by Mr Than
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  Quote Kids Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 06:08

"They seem to be trying to describe a people with Mongoloid characteristics, which obviously seemed very strange to the Caucasian Romans."

I know. Its funny that how Caucasian people are nowdays are portrays as THE standard of beauty in this world.
 
Back then, Europeans are depicted as almost like monkey-like creatures (hairy and dirty...) in Chinese and Japanese records. Now, you found European models (as oppose to African models) earn more $ than Asian models in East Asia. Ironically, isnt!
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  Quote Raider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 06:19
Originally posted by Kids

From most of books I read, Atilla is identified with Oriental (Eastern Asian) characters (yellowish skin, short, small eyes, flat nose as according to Priscus's encounter with Attila).
 
But why then in Hungary Attila (as a national hero in Hungary) is depicted as European like figure as well as in recent American movie Attila???
 
 
Is is because Europeans can not accept the fact that Attila is non-white? 
I have just seen the picture on link. This is not a statue of Attila, but a statue of rpd (and the other six Hungarian conqueror chieftain) on the Heroes' Square, Budapest.
 


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My mistake, Raider. Somone in my Ancient history class sent the picture to me and claimed it was from Hungary.

So, Raider, do people of Hungary associate Attila as European or Asian on TV or movies???
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  Quote Giannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 06:38

The only movie with Attila, I've ever watched is with Anthony Quinn and i believe that he has more asian characteristics than caucasian.

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  Quote Leonardo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 06:54
A. Quinn is half Irish half Mexican if I remember it right
 
 
 


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  Quote Scytho-Sarmatian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 07:19
Is it easy to get that movie?  It looks mighty interesting.

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  Quote Raider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 07:36
Originally posted by Kids

My mistake, Raider. Somone in my Ancient history class sent the picture to me and claimed it was from Hungary.

So, Raider, do people of Hungary associate Attila as European or Asian on TV or movies???
It is from Hungary, but it is not Attila's statue.
 
Well, Hungarians -generally speaking- associate Attila with a Hungarian thus a European.
 
Attila in a medieval Hungarian chronicle (Chronicon Pictum):
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  Quote Scytho-Sarmatian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 07:51
Even in that medieval picture Attila looks "dark."  He looks very Central Asian to me.
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I have see a Roman mosaic depicting a Roman cavalier chasing a Hun ith a Lance, the Hun was running away about to fire a Parthian shot, they had depicted him with East Asian features (Almond eyes and hih cheek bones).
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  Quote erkut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 08:18
He is deffinetly Asian!
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  Quote arras Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 08:19
Huns were Indo-European people as well as Allans, Sarmatians, all Turkic tribes, Scithians, Bulgars, Avars and other nomadic people who came from central Asia. Etnicaly they had same origin as most other European, Iranian and Indian (Aryana) people and their language was part of Indo-European group. There are some doubds if Ugro-Finish languages are part of Indo-European group but then that Hungarian people are direct descendants of Huns is questionable. Some historians claim it is only part of national myth like many similar across other nations.
Notice that people of Hungaria don't call themself Huns but Magiars and they don't call their country Hungaria.

Do not be confused about their "asiatic" look.
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 08:27
The core Huns were most probably Altaic speakers, the confederations they formed were with Indo-Europeans such as Alans, Goths etc.
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  Quote xi_tujue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 08:38
Originally posted by arras

Huns were Indo-European people as well as Allans, Sarmatians, all Turkic tribes, Scithians, Bulgars, Avars and other nomadic people who came from central Asia. Etnicaly they had same origin as most other European, Iranian and Indian (Aryana) people and their language was part of Indo-European group. There are some doubds if Ugro-Finish languages are part of Indo-European group but then that Hungarian people are direct descendants of Huns is questionable. Some historians claim it is only part of national myth like many similar across other nations.
Notice that people of Hungaria don't call themself Huns but Magiars and they don't call their country Hungaria.

Do not be confused about their "asiatic" look.
 
just a question why is it if someone or people played a important role in history "white"(caucasians) claime them as one of their own.
I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage
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  Quote Giannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 08:52
Strange and weird people don't have boundaries, I've heard that Cleopatra was black, Hitler a jew, Attila european and other nonsense.
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  Quote Giannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 08:55
Scytho-Sarmatian, you can purchase the dvd Attila from here if you want www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00013T79Q.

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