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    Posted: 01-Jul-2006 at 02:14
No, by crowning the last ERE Empress must be the last wife of Constantine XI.
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Know nothing about Peter the Great, but whom you should really be proud of is prince Peter Bagrationi -- one of the most respected generals in Russia.
 
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In Russia? which had slaved Georgia? sounds rediculous.

I'm proud of them whose names are still in shadows.



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''The main essense of Nation race is to stay on track as long as possible, not to beat your competitors and fly away as Macedonians did'' -nice yeah?
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Originally posted by rider

No, by crowning the last ERE Empress must be the last wife of Constantine XI.
 
Helena Dragases (Constantine XI's mother, alive at his accession) was the last Empress of Constantinople (none of Constantine XI's wive's actually reigned as Empress), but Helena Cantacuzene was the last Byzantine Empress (Trebizond in itself was a Byzantine state with all the hallmarks of court protocol, she was a crowned Byzantine Empress).
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About Georgian Armoury.
 
 

 

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Trying to upload medieval Georgian Army....
 
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Looks identical to Safavid.
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yeah, the armour was common from India over Afghanistan and Iran to the Caucasus and it is of course post-medieval. even Ottomans and Polish horsemen had such armour.
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yeah, the armour was common from India over Afghanistan and Iran to the Caucasus and it is of course post-medieval. even Ottomans and Polish horsemen had such armour.
like heavy cavalary sipahis late 17 cent right?
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The helmet is identical to the Safavid model at chamber street museam except for the engravings, same for all the other bits and pieces, not just similar but looking like they have been made by the same smitty.
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Originally posted by xi_tujue

like heavy cavalary sipahis late 17 cent right?
 
yes exactly.
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Every Georgian family makes its own sword and has different Sword styles TODAY!
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did u know canute who coquered england and was king of denmark, england and norway was the grandson of the first polish ruler Mieszko I?
that being true duznt make poland any more important in a medieval timeframe than other nations.
like big deal sum byz. queen was from georgia. im sick and tired of georgians (or maybe just this one specific one) trying to prove theyre the best. like wat is wrong with this nation wen they have nothing better to do than to prove their the best.

oh, and heres something to chew on:
if georgia was the greatest medieval nation, wtf is half the world not able to place it on the map, never heard of it, or just duznt care?

srry to sound harsh but im straight from the chivtw forums and ive delt with this bs for way too long.
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half the world not able to place it on the map
 
Most people couldnt place Afghanistan on a map if asked aswell.
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you can't even see belgium or holland on maps you need to look verry carefully haha so small btw whats the smallest country in the world. Is it Luxembourg.
 
a country not an autonomus region
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since 16 century Egypt had been ruled by Mameluks who where caucassian people. And the very stong of them were georgians and albanians. "Egyption'' sultans mostly were georgians and they knew that, having sent msgs with georgian kings.
 
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Mameluks=Turks&Circassian-Tcherkhez&Albanians,not-Georgians.
 
Which,Sultan,was,a,Georgian?
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Mameluks=Turks&Circassian-Tcherkhez&Albanians

I am not sure how true this is. But if it is, wouldnt you expect Georgians, Armenians and Greeks also be represented as mamluks? after all to get to Northern Caucasus (circassia) you first have to pass through Southern Caucasus or the Black Sea coast...last I heard

Mamluks:Arab Empire and Janissaires:Ottoman Empire are analogies
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I thought the original mamelukes were turkic and mobgol biys captured from Central asia?
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many of them probably were...I dont know that much about Mamluke origins, nor that I am saying Mamluks were Georgians, I was commenting on the fact that if Mamluks had Circassian members, they also must have had Georgian members, since to get to "Circassia" one had to pass through Georgia...
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Among the first Mamlukes were Turks, they were bought in, in huge numbers and got so powerfull that one of those very, very rare events occured. The Slave ended up ruling there old masters.
 
Also there were Nubian and other Eastern African Black Mamluks they were probobly mamluks even before the Turks.
 
The TulunOgullu state in the late 800's was by Mamluk Turks who set up there own state in Egypt and built its largest and once of the oldest mosques in Egypt and some big gardens and a hospital complex.
 
There were various other Mamluk states, the most influential was the famous Mamluk state.
 
The first stage of this was ruled by Turks, Baybars was a famous leader. The second stage was TurkAmong the first Mamlukes were Turks, they were bought in, in huge numbers and got so powerfull that one of those very, very rare events occured. The Slave ended up ruling there old masters.
 
Also there were Nubian and other Eastern African Black Mamluks they were probobly mamluks even before the Turks.
 
The TulunOgullu state in the late 800's was by Mamluk Turks who set up there own state in Egypt and built its largest and once of the oldest mosques in Egypt and some big gardens and a hospital complex.
 
There were various other Mamluk states, the most influential was the famous Mamluk state.
 
The first stage of this was ruled by Turks, Baybars was a famous leader. The second stage was Turk-Tcherkez Mamluks. It was mostly Tzcherkhez, in the West they're called Circassian, Chechens-Tzcherkez-Inguetch-Lezgi-Karacay etc etcTcherkez Mamluks. It was mostly Tzcherkhez, in the West they're called Circassian, Chechens-Tzcherkez-Inguetch-Lezgi-Karacay etc etcAmong the first Mamlukes were Turks, they were bought in, in huge numbers and got so powerfull that one of those very, very rare events occured. The Slave ended up ruling there old masters.
 
Also there were Nubian and other Eastern African Black Mamluks they were probobly mamluks even before the Turks.
 
The TulunOgullu state in the late 800's was by Mamluk Turks who set up there own state in Egypt and built its largest and once of the oldest mosques in Egypt and some big gardens and a hospital complex.
 
There were various other Mamluk states, the most influential was the famous Mamluk state.
 
The first stage of this was ruled by Turks, Baybars was a famous leader. The second stage was Turk-Tcherkez Mamluks. It was mostly Tzcherkhez, in the West they're called Circassian, Chechens-Tzcherkez-Inguetch-Lezgi-Karacay etc etcAmong the first Mamlukes were Turks, they were bought in, in huge numbers and got so powerfull that one of those very, very rare events occured. The Slave ended up ruling there old masters.
 
Also there were Nubian and other Eastern African Black Mamluks they were probobly mamluks even before the Turks.
 
The TulunOgullu state in the late 800's was by Mamluk Turks who set up there own state in Egypt and built its largest and once of the oldest mosques in Egypt and some big gardens and a hospital complex.
 
There were various other Mamluk states, the most influential was the famous Mamluk state.
 
The first stage of this was ruled by Turks, Baybars was a famous leader. The second stage was Turk & Tcherkez/Caucasian Mamluks as the Caucaus Mamluks were the new recruits. It was mostly Tzcherkhez, in the West they're called Circassian, Chechens-Tzcherkez-Inguetch-Lezgi-Karacay etc etc
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