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    Posted: 09-Nov-2006 at 18:56
Originally posted by ashokharsana

The scholars of Racial Science and languages are of the opinion that Gurjars are the purest Aryans. The anthropological report by Sir Herbert Risely published in 1901, states that Gurjars tribe is the purest Aryan race, having their nasal index 66.9, which is much finer than any other caste.

Indo-Aryan Tribe Nasal Index


No.   Tribe   Nasal Index   Nasal Type
1.    Gurjar     66.9          Leptorrhine
2.    Sikh        68.8          Leptorrhine
3. Brahman (Bengal) 70.3 Sub-Leptorrhine
4. Kayasth (Bengal) 70.3 Sub-Leptorrhine
5. Rajput 71.6 Sub-Leptorrhine
6. Vellala 73.1 Sub-Platyrrhine
7. Brahman (Bihar) 73.2 Sub-Leptorrhine
8. Brahman (Bhojpur) 74.6 Sub-Leptorrhine
9. Tamil Brahman 76.7 Sub-Leptorrhine
10. Vaisya (Bania) 79.6 Sub-Leptorrhine
11. Pariah 80.0 Sub-Platyrrhine
12. Irula 80.9 Sub-Platyrrhine
13. Kol 82.2 Sub-Platyrrhine
14. Dom 83.0 Sub-Platyrrhine
15. Bhil 84.1 Sub-Platyrrhine
16. Chamar 86.0 Platyrrhine
17. Musahar 88.7 Platyrrhine
18. Santal 88.8 Platyrrhine
19. Kadia 89.8 Platyrrhine
20. Munda 89.9 Platyrrhine
21. Paniyans (Malabar) 95.1 Platyrrhine
22. Asur (Lohardaga) 95.9 Platyrrhine
 
1) These are only for Indian groups. The further Northwest you go, generally you perhaps do get lower nasal indexes.
2) Get over this Aryan thing and nasal index. There is no definition of Aryan as being related to nasal index. the whole thing beats me Confused


Edited by TeldeInduz - 09-Nov-2006 at 18:57
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Hello Brother,

 
Nasal Index is considered to be a good way, among scientists and historians, to  find the actual hisotry of any race........(You must know a famous saying in Indian upper castes "Naak ke liye kuchh bhi karenge" means "anything for our nose" where nose denotes the purity of one's race.)
 
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The Thread's name is "Aryan Indians"  Thats why i provided data related to Indians only.....
 
You said that "the further nothwest you go lower the nasal index will be."
 
I said that Gurjars are the purest aryan race...
 
Research says that Aryans were residing in caucasian reagion before coming to Indian subcontinent...
 
Dont you think you are suppoting my claim....
 
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This is a typical aryan face from north pakistan,(kalash tribe) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalash compare these faces to those "light eyed" Indians, and you will see a major difference in facial bone structure and cranium proportions.  Indians should be proud of being Dravidians while the rest 28% of them are Aryan mixes, which is only in the minority. Please straighten out your statistics because 72% of India is NOT Aryan, & stop trying to find excuses to try to prove yourselves as Aryan because everyone can see the truth.

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Originally posted by northpakistani

This is a typical aryan face from north pakistan,(kalash tribe) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalash compare these faces to those "light eyed" Indians, and you will see a major difference in facial bone structure and cranium proportions.  Indians should be proud of being Dravidians while the rest 28% of them are Aryan mixes, which is only in the minority. Please straighten out your statistics because 72% of India is NOT Aryan, & stop trying to find excuses to try to prove yourselves as Aryan because everyone can see the truth.
Thank you.
 
NorthPakistani,
 
Are you Kalash?  Kalash are a people with a colorful and rich history.  "Many Kalash claim that they are the direct descendants of either Greek settlers of the Alexander the Great's army, or even Alexander himself."
 
The question now is, how are the Kalash aryan if they are remnants of a people which historically are recent arrivals to the area and more importantly come much later than the Aryans which are mentioned as per hindu scriptures residing in the Indian lands? 
 
As far as Dravidians are concerned, they are a proud people as well and have a strong culture, economy, architecture and society.
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Originally posted by ashokharsana

Thats what a Gujar herdsman or shepherd look like: 
                                        And This is a local Gujari
 
 
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LOL These two above mentioned people are NOT GUJJARS they are Europeans (Italians) who decided to settle in Rajasthan. This post caught my eye because the attire of the two is that of a Rabari tribal of Rajasthan while that of a gujjar is different.
 


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I think miscegenation is not taken into account.
 
But, Un and other organizations claim that there is no 'race' on the earth.
 
Why then, interpretation on race, racism and racialism?
History is not what was written or is written, but it is actually what had happened in the past.
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LOL Good find Rajputana.. the average Gurjjar has completely different features to those..
 
That's also not an average North Pakistani face, though there are many blonde haired and blue eyed people in North Pakistan, and also I dont think Kalash are "Aryan" in the dictionary definition of the word.
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Originally posted by TeldeInduz

LOL Good find Rajputana.. the average Gurjjar has completely different features to those..
 
That's also not an average North Pakistani face, though there are many blonde haired and blue eyed people in North Pakistan, and also I dont think Kalash are "Aryan" in the dictionary definition of the word.
 
lol yea teldeinduz i came across that article some time back plus those two look nothing like indians man thats pretty obvious.  Check this video out about the people of Kalash:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BPbLgwOwBI
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TeldeInduz, the kalash have adopted variations of Pakistani culture and carried on with their own traditions . However, their genes don't really match the Greeks nor the south asians, so if they aren't Aryan, what would you call them?
 
 


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Rajputana- Your correct. India is a successful nation solely because the people are united and regardless of their religions or castes, the nation seems to be thriving by supporting one another. That creates a political ground of stability for India, and we are definitely inspired by that.
 
But why do you say they are  "proud Dravidian's " because those pictures of  Italians (trying to be Gujjars) contradicts your statement. The Indian's consider them as their own race. LOLThis is happening everywhere, including  the world-wide web where Indian's try so hard to prove they're white.  The nation spends billions of dollars in skin bleaching (the most profitable industry in India). This is enough evidence to prove that Indian's are not pleased with their race.
 
 


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Originally posted by northpakistani

TeldeInduz, the kalash have adopted variations of Pakistani culture and carried on with their own traditions . However, their genes don't really match the Greeks nor the south asians, so if they aren't Aryan, what would you call them?
 
They're not descendants of Greeks or Macedonians either. Their genes dont match anyone elses because they've been subject to genetic drift that's quite normal for small sequestered populations. "Aryan" is a very misused term, but not necessarily incorrect given the genetic evidence for many of the surrounding groups imo (and the Kalash group to an extent). They're just caucasians I suppose. Their historical tribal identity is another matter. Better still is calling them "Chitrali" I think.
 
 


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Originally posted by Rajputana

NorthPakistani,
 
Are you Kalash?  Kalash are a people with a colorful and rich history.  "Many Kalash claim that they are the direct descendants of either Greek settlers of the Alexander the Great's army, or even Alexander himself."
 
They're not Greek, or related to Alexander, it's been proved more or less.
 
 
The question now is, how are the Kalash aryan if they are remnants of a people which historically are recent arrivals to the area and more importantly come much later than the Aryans which are mentioned as per hindu scriptures residing in the Indian lands?
 
They didn't come with the Greeks, so they didn't come much later than the "Aryans". The scriptures your referring to would be the Vedas, the Rig Veda in particular, which mentions the Aryans coming to modern Pakistan, not to modern India.  
 
As far as Dravidians are concerned, they are a proud people as well and have a strong culture, economy, architecture and society.
 
Indeed.
 
 


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Originally posted by northpakistani

Rajputana- Your correct. India is a successful nation solely because the people are united and regardless of their religions or castes, the nation seems to be thriving by supporting one another. That creates a political ground of stability for India, and we are definitely inspired by that.
 
India has come a long way especially for a country which is driven by caste and segregation.
 
 
Originally posted by nothpakistani

But why do you say they are  "proud Dravidian's " because those pictures of  Italians (trying to be Gujjars) contradicts your statement. The Indian's consider them as their own race. LOLThis is happening everywhere, including  the world-wide web where Indian's try so hard to prove they're white.  The nation spends billions of dollars in skin bleaching (the most profitable industry in India). This is enough evidence to prove that Indian's are not pleased with their race.
 
No, there are dravidians (pure dravidians) in India and they're a proud lot, they have a proud culture, history etc.  But these are dravidians and not Northerners yet they share a common religion and even a similar culture to some degree.
 
LOL Those pictures of Italians were not put up by me hence they cant contradict my beliefs and they're not trying to be gujjars they just appreciate these people as Indians and dont look to distinguish hell probably dont even know what a gujjar is since they're in Rabari attire!
 
I have no personal agenda of portraying Indians as europeans just to gain brownie points on behalf of my people.  Personally I have no problem with my skin and it depends on which Indians you speak to, bleaching or no bleaching man people should learn to appreciate their ancestrys and not make up fairytales like the one I uncovered above lol.
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In the case of Aryan race, Max Mueller confessed,

 

I have declared again and again that if I say Aryan, I mean neither blood nor bones,, nor hair, nor skull, I mean simply those who speak an Aryan languageTo me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, as great sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolicocephalic dictionary or brachycephalic grammar.
 
Then, why believe in "Aryan race"?
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The Sikhs (Siques) are majority Jatts which are in turn classified by Tod and Cunningham as having scythian origins.
 
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yeah sikh sure do look different from an average indian.
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In fact a lot of Sikhs have their origins in Pakistan (Punjab), though Todd & Cunningham is an old outdated piece.
 
 


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Yea guys many sikhs are originally from pakistan and they migrated during partition.  Even many hindus I know of, that migrated are fair in their features.

 
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