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    Posted: 23-Jul-2019 at 07:18
Noah probably built his ark on one of the eastern segments of the Nile Delta. This area was kept dry by a system of dykes upstream. During the flood season, these dykes were possibly destroyed deliberately which created the flood. But it was only the eastern segment of the Nile Delta which Noah's people were living on. The Ark was simply washed into the Mediterranean Sea and this was the "flood" as far as the eyes can see, and they eventually landed off the coast of modern day Syria or Lebanon, because the people from this region were considered by ancient historians to be the founders of Babylon (ie. Babel Tower, moved east into the plains of Shinar). This is the reason the people who had never seen rainbows before suddenly started seeing rainbows often. Because it didn't really rain in Egypt and all their water needs were provided by the Nile. They had been moved from a region that didn't rain to a region with significant enough rainfall to generate a rainbow.

The Nile Delta was also heavily forested at some point so there was tons of wood available for ships.

(But then there's the moon... some things about it are a little too strange aren't they? What if we were meant to believe we're all from an ark? What if there's another actual ark besides Noah's ark?)


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  Quote Arthur-Robin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Apr-2019 at 03:25

There have been at least 3 Noah's Ark candidates:
1. A wooden ark up in Mt Ararat. (Wonder if this one shows on google maps/earth?)
2. The Durupinar Ark near Dogubayzit in eastern Turkey not far from Mt Ararat, sometimes called the Tendurek ark. The sightings by Russian airplane pilot in Tsar's times was probably this one. People involved with investigating this ark include Ron Wyatt and David Fasold (his book 'Discovery of Noah's Ark'). Geologist Lorence Collins claims this one is a geological formation. But it may depend on what 'gopher' is, and on the lava that engulfed it in later times.
3. Cornuke's claimed ark candidate in Mt Suleiman in n.w. Iran (which he reckons was part of ancient Urartu). (I didn't think this one was as far east as Elburz. But apparently it is in Elburz. Interestingly i have also considered that Elburz might be Ararat when i was looking for Aratta thereabouts and noticed similar names.)

Not sure where you could find photos. Could try google images. Chick publications and Crusader comics had some bits on some of the claimed sightings/finds.
Other areas i have also considered are Himalayas, and Antarctica.

The bible says the ark came to rest in the mountains of Ararat which name is often considered to be cognate with Urartu (and the Alarodians in Herodotus), though Rohl? suggested it may match Aratta of ancient Sumerian epics.
Josephus said the ark was to be seen/found in Armenia in his days and cited Berosus saying similar.
The ark's landing site in other accounts is Lubar (Jewish), Nisir/Nimush (Sumerian), Amasis/Masis/Baris (Akkadian), Judi/Djoudi (Arab/Muslim), Parnassus (Greek).

Ararat might be relate to either: Urartian? Alarodian (Herodotus)? Aratta? Arsareth (Esdras)? Araxes? Aryana-vaejo? Araret (5th/6th dyn, Bey)? Arctic/Antarctic? Aralu/Arali? Agartha/Agarthi? Anatolia? Alalakh? Arzap? a_rata? Aranzah(as)? Eridu (Oannes)? La-ra-ak? Allatu? Arfaday (Moriah)? Uauat? Uluru? Altai? Atlas?

A geologist said to me that Noah wouldn't have had enough lumber to build and ark, and couldn't have cut it with obsidian tools, etc. Gopher might not be wood.

I couldn't find a free transliterated version of the epic of Gilgamesh but in the English translation it implies he built it from his reed hut material.

The Hebrew says atzey-gofer (atzey "tree/firmness/wood/sticks", gopher/gofer "to house in, a kind of tree/wood (as used for buildng), cypress?")

Greek has xylon tetragonon "square timber"
Latin has lignis levigatis "smoothed/planed wood"
Aramaic has qadros "cedar"
Syriac has arqa "box"

Gopher has been suggested to be similar to either:
Egyptian Khepera/Khepri/Khopri "cement, dung"
Aramaic/Syriac kaphar/kophra "tomb"
Greek kopron "dunghill"
Babylonian gushure is erini "cedar beams"
Assyrian giparu "reeds"
Greek kuparisson "cypress"
Hebrew kofer/kopher "pitch(ed wood)"
English/Indoeuropean coffin.

Hebrew g = Egyptian kh, e.g. Negev/Negeb & Nekhab.

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  Quote Komnenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Jul-2006 at 13:53
Read an article today that equates the "Great Flood" that forced good old Noah to build his ark with the irruption of The Aegaen Sea through the Bosphorus into the Black Sea around 6000 BC.
The Black Sea until then had apparently been an inland-lake around which shores  flourishing civilisations had been established.
Not only prompted this natural catastrophe Noah on his enterprise, but,more realistically, it caused an influx of displaced settlers from the regions into South East and Central Europe where they introduced farming techniques. Or so, the "Spiegel" (German Magazine) goes.
A new twist to the old theory that the story of the flood is based  an historical facts, with the local bards and story-tellers taking liberties with their people's collective memories.
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  Quote minchickie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jul-2006 at 21:54
I really dont know about it. I am not at all religious (of any kind) but it would be cool for archaeological reasons if it is found. On the other hand, I believe it was Marco Polo who made note of the ship? or was it the heavy floods that matched up to that time frame(on his way back from China)? In any case, a great exploration!Wink
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  Quote R_AK47 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jul-2006 at 11:43

Noah's Ark must be found and preserved.

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I only see slabs of stone on those AOL pics....


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AĞRI (Ararat)

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  Quote minchickie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jul-2006 at 04:45
This recent article was posted on teh front news page of AOL (American Online)
The one picture here looks quite interesting (much like old slabs of what appears to be wood , locked in together).
Either way, it is interesting for the fact that it is in Iran....
 
Has Noah's Ark Been Found?
Christian Archaeology Team Believes It's Found Biblical Remains
 
June 29) - Texas archaeologists believe they may have located the remains of Noah's Ark in Iran's Elburz mountain range.
"I can't imagine what it could be if it is not the Ark," said Arch Bonnema of the Bible Archaeology Search and Exploration (B.A.S.E) Institute, a Christian archeology organization dedicated to looking for biblical artifacts.

Bonnema and the other B.A.S.E. Institute members hiked for seven hours in the mountains northwest of Tehran, climbing 13,000 feet before making the apparent discovery.

"We got up to this object, nestled in the side of a hill," said Robert Cornuke, a member of the B.A.S.E. Institute. "We found something that has my heart skipping a beat."

At first, they didn't dare to hope it was the biblical boat.

"It wasn't impressive at first," Cornuke said. "Certainly didn't think it to be Noah's Ark. But when we got close, we were amazed. It looked similar to wood."

In addition, some B.A.SE. members say, their discovery didn't look very distinctive.

"It looked like the deck of any boat today," Bonnema said.

Long Search for the Ark

The Bible places the Ark in the mountains of Ararat, a mountain range theologians believe spans hundreds of miles, which the team says is consistent with their find in Iran.

The Bible also describes the Ark's dimensions as being 300 cubits by 50 cubits -- about the size of a small aircraft carrier. The B.A.S.E. Institute's discovery is similar in size and scale.

"It is provocative to think that this could be the lost ark of Noah," Cornuke said.

Throughout history, people have been searching for the Ark to help prove God's existence.

"There's this idea, if we can prove that the Ark existed then we can prove that the story existed, and more importantly, we can prove that God existed," said Bruce Feiler, author of "Where God Was Born."

Previous scholars have searched for the Ark on Mount Ararat in Turkey.

"Czar Nicholas, actually, in 1916 sent two expeditions to photograph it on top of Mount Ararat," said Feiler.

One former U.S. president, Feiler said, looked for it in the mountains of Iran.

"There is a story that Jimmy Carter, on his way to visit the Shah of Iran in 1977, purposefully flew over it," he said.

As recently as March, researcher claimed to have satellite photos that proved the presence of Ark remains. The B.A.S.E institute hopes the physical evidence they've brought back from Iran will hold the answer to this enduring mystery.

"People will always be looking for it, always be skeptical, always be excited of the search," Cornuke said. "But I think we found something here that's very notable."

The B.A.S.E. Institute's samples are being examined at labs in Texas and Florida. B.A.S.E officials concede that there would be no way to conclusively prove that their finding is actually Noah's Ark.

So the hunt goes on. The biggest hurdle in identifying Noah's Ark comes down to "gopher wood." The Bible says the Ark was made of gopher wood but no one knows what it is.

ABC News' Chris Cuomo reported this story for "Good Morning America."

06-29-06 17:31 EDT

Copyright 2006 ABCNEWS.com

 
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Originally posted by Decebal

I saw a documentary on that. Apparently, following the very blurry picture from the 1950s, several expeditions have attempted to search the remains of the ark, but found nothing. The report concluded that it was simply a photographic trick or coincidence, rather like the Loch Ness pictures. Subsequent pictures of the same area did not show the same object (they showed only rock).
 
Really, it's just a myth.
 
Decebal- So was UbarSmile, the photos I had seen were a series taken from the ground, not aerial.  They were very clear, in one shot I could see mortise and tendon construction in the wood work.  I don't believe in the Noah Myth as it reads biblically.  I do believe there May have been an event on a catastrophic scale that may explain a ship being in the mountains, or several of them if you count the other reported sites. Recovery of timber for dating might explain many things. 
 
 


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  Quote Decebal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2006 at 16:10
I saw a documentary on that. Apparently, following the very blurry picture from the 1950s, several expeditions have attempted to search the remains of the ark, but found nothing. The report concluded that it was simply a photographic trick or coincidence, rather like the Loch Ness pictures. Subsequent pictures of the same area did not show the same object (they showed only rock).
 
Really, it's just a myth.


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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2006 at 10:09
I can find the photos on mt ararat?  I was looking for something a little bit closer to home, like a web site. Big smile  Do you know the photos I speak of?
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Many years ago, [before the net] I remember seeing a series of Photographs taken somewhere in Turkey, on a glacier.  They showed quite clearly a vessel of some kind encased in Ice.  There was even a close up shot that showed the interior, the vessel having broken in two. The Photos were taken around 1948-49, I have searched for them many times with no luck.  Has anyone else seen them and do you know where they might be found?
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From the article:
Mr Huibers, who plans to open the vessel as a religious monument and zoo, hopes the project will renew interest in Christianity in the Netherlands.
 
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You are all wrong! It's in Holland!LOL
 
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  Quote Raider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2006 at 08:06
Some said it was found on Mt. Ararat, but it is too high and cannot be reached. A modern(?) myth.
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yeah they found some wood.

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i remeber reading about that they found signs of it in mountains in turkey.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2006 at 06:58
Noahs ark is a fable.
 
I heard it is supposed to be on top of Mt Sinai, i dont belive it though.


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