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    Posted: 18-Jun-2006 at 10:04
We know in the Iranain mythology it is devilish and in the Indian mythology it is divine but what was the original one in the Indo-European culture?
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  Quote Arbr Z Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Jun-2006 at 15:01
In albanian legends Div is a male creature with a gygantic body (like a titan), it is like a semidivine creature and it can be good or bad.
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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jul-2006 at 09:18
i touched on  this yesterday, orginally i assumed it was an iranian reversal on indian logic, now i think its the other way around.

 Wiki (yes you can critise this source ) talks about it

here (hindu Devs)

here (Iranian Div)

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In Uzbek, it is Dev. big monster who likes to steal virgin girls

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  Quote Arthur-Robin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 08:22
Is the Uzbek Dev and Albanian Div singular or plural/genitive?
NZ's mandatory fluoridation is not fair because it only forces it on the disadvantaged/some and not on the advantaged/everyone.
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  Quote Arbr Z Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 11:42

Albanian

Div/i, singular masculine
Diva/t plural masculine
 
there is no feminine form, or better say it would mean diva (like in english). The mythological figure, in the albanian epos, it is a male of gigantic forms who can be negative or positive, depending on the situation and on the legend. It lives in the forests, or in the mountains, in caves. In some legend they feed by human meet.
In a metaphorical way Div in albanian is used to show also a strong guy, with a well constructed body.
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  Quote Arthur-Robin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 08:16
sorry I meant is it generic (applied to each/all persons/people of a group, individually as well as collectively) eg deva/s,
or is it the name of a particular deity eg Zeus/Dyaus/Dievs/Jove/Tiwas?

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  Quote Arbr Z Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 08:23

it s not a name of a deity, it shows just a group of mythological figures.

Other words which could be ethymologically connected in albanian would be

Diell/dill - Sun, Drite - Light, E djele/e dille - Sunday, Dite - Day, Di - know, Dituri - Knowledge



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The oldest language in the world is Sanskrit, which incidently Bill gates rated as much better than any other contemprory language for writing software.

In sanskrit Dev means a divine personality & God. Both because in the Hindu religion Gods are really simple Humans who have attained the status of God through their good deeds.

Since sanskrit is the oldest language in the world, This meaning has to be taken as the first meaning.
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  Quote Goban Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2006 at 11:13
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

The oldest language in the world is Sanskrit, which incidently Bill gates rated as much better than any other contemprory language for writing software.

In sanskrit Dev means a divine personality & God. Both because in the Hindu religion Gods are really simple Humans who have attained the status of God through their good deeds.

Since sanskrit is the oldest language in the world, This meaning has to be taken as the first meaning.
 
Why do you think Sanskrit is the oldest language in the world?
 
Is it not a descendant in the PIE chain?
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  Quote QueenCleopatra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Sep-2006 at 09:02
In Ancient Rome Div was divine.
 
Emporer Augustus for example called himself Divi Felios- son of the Divine
Her Royal Highness , lady of the Two Lands, High Priestess of Thebes, Beloved of Isis , Cleopatra , Oueen of the Nile
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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Oct-2006 at 07:40
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

We know in the Iranain mythology it is devilish and in the Indian mythology it is divine but what was the original one in the Indo-European culture?


This concept goes well with the Indian theory. Here there were two sets of people in out mythology. One whoich treated the devs as villains, one which treated them as heores.

The ones who treated them as villains had Asura Mahavdev (Ahura Mazda in persian) as their supreme God.

The others had (Vishnu) Mitra / mithra as their supreme god.

This Asura Mahadev was aslo the Supreme God of the Asura race (known to west as the Assryians & to the Asuras themselves as Ashuras).

The whole mythology is full of infighting between these two sects.  each winning alternatively.




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  Quote Vivek Sharma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Oct-2006 at 07:44
Cyrus, I  risk being called a nationalist again, but if you study the old cultures of the entire region from india to the Mid east & central asia, you would find broadly one common philosophy or a grat deal of unity. In ancient times Iran & India were not separate but  one. & that extended  further.
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  Quote Xshayathiya Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Apr-2007 at 14:29
Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

The oldest language in the world is Sanskrit, which incidently Bill gates rated as much better than any other contemprory language for writing software.

In sanskrit Dev means a divine personality & God. Both because in the Hindu religion Gods are really simple Humans who have attained the status of God through their good deeds.

Since sanskrit is the oldest language in the world, This meaning has to be taken as the first meaning.
 
Sanskrit is not the oldest language in the world. The first written account of Sanskrit are the Edicts of Ashoka (from 250 BCE). Although it is assumed to be a thousand or so years older than that, Sumerian, Egyptian, Elamite and Akkadian are all more than a thousand years older than that.
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  Quote sreenivasarao s Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Apr-2007 at 10:06

 

Asokas edicts are not in Sanskrit.

Asoka's edicts are to be found scattered in more than thirty places throughout India, Nepal, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Most of them are written in Brahmi script. The language used in the edicts found in the eastern part of the sub-continent is a type of Magadhi, ,a language spoken in present day Bihar region. The language used in the edicts found in the western part of India is closer to Sanskrit although one bilingual edict in Afghanistan is in Aramaic and Greek.

Sanskrit belongs to the Indo-Aryan sub-family of the Indo-European family of languages. Together with the Iranian languages, it belongs to the Indo-Iranian branch. The earliest surviving Sanskrit text, the Rig Veda, is approximately dated 1500 B.C or earlier. Approximately around 600 B.C. - there came up Classical Sanskrit, based on the old Vedic speech. After which period the great scholor Panini composed his grammar of Sanskrit.

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  Quote Xshayathiya Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Apr-2007 at 11:44
My mistake, I read that it was somewhere. If I find the source I'll post it.
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