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    Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 08:46

How many countries do you know which were neither colonized nor colonizer?
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'Colonised' isn't the same as 'annexed' is it?

If it is, then I can't think of any.
 
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Albania was never colonised, nor colonizer. They are some albanian comunities in other countries, but i dont think they could be called colonies. As far as i know Greece was never colonized, nor colonizer, appart of the old cities found all over the mediterranean in classical times.
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Ancient Greeks had colonies in Spain, France, Sicily, Italy, black sea area, Anatolia etc.
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How about Finland,Switzerland, Luxembourg
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Vatican, Lichtenstein and propably all the countries that their population is under 1.000.000 people. And also all the tiny independed island countries of Caraibic sea, Atlantic and Pacific Ocean.
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Are we talking about the last 300 years?
 
Thailand. To a certain extent Iran, and China.
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Originally posted by Giannis

And also all the tiny independed island countries of Caraibic sea, Atlantic and Pacific Ocean.

Which islands? To my knowledge all those islands were colonies, and many of them still are
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Sorry, you are right I thought only of colonizers.
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Thailand,as well as a small nation in southern France,who has a lot of casino, but i forget  her english name.Liberia may be too. But it was built by the released slave from Usa, everything following the Usa.Ethopia is  an independent nation,except the Italy occupation in late 1930s and early 1940s.
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Russia. She really did not have colonies, although she annexed Siberia and control lots of other nation. And she was not colonized. Mongols never colonized Russia, she still had her own rulers.And Vikings were invited to Russia.But at that time, there was no modern sense Russia.
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As far as I know, colonization is an alien concept to Turks.
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Liberia...Even though it had been kind of a puppet for a while.
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Like I said it rather depends what you mean by a 'colony'. But a few thoughts on various suggestions:
 
Albania was part of the Roman Empire.
 
Luxembourg was one of the Hapsburg (Spain, Austria) domains. It was also for a while taken over by Louis XIV and Napoleon.
 
Finland was part of the Tsarist empire.
 
Which also makes Russia a coloniser (and the Crimea and the surrounding areas are also relics of Russian colonisation). Alaska was also a Russian colony for a while.
 
I thought Thailand 'colonised' parts of what would otherwise now be Malaysia, which accounts for its Malay Muslim minority.
 
China colonised and is still colonising Tibet. It also colonised Taiwan and its western provinces.
 
I don't know about the early history of the territory known as Liberia, but it was certainly colonised by blacks from North America, who setup their own government there with an essentially colonial regime under the Tubmans that lasted until fairly recently.
 
Andorra, as I understand its constitution, is partially subordinate to France.
 
Monaco was colonised by Genoese.
 
Switzerland in its present form arose from a revolt against Austrian rule.
 
Liechtenstein became Liechtenstein in 1719 but didn't become independent of the HRE until 1806. Before that it was a group of several fiefdoms - do fiefdoms count as colonies? The territory was also part of the Carolingian and Roman empires.
 
It's true that the Vatican has been independent since the Concordat with Mussolini, but it's kind of confusing before that. However Paraguay was effectively a Jesuit colony for a while, and the Jesuits are based in Rome.
 
Modern Turkey is a Turkish colony. The area was of course also part of the Roman Empire and before that colonised by Greeks.
 


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Well I take colonising to mean making settlements in territories acquired (by whatever means).
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Originally posted by gcle2003

Modern Turkey is a Turkish colony.

What do you mean by that?
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Ethiopian was never colonised by any European or non- regional power, and the brief period of Italian occupation in the late 30s can't really be called colonisation.
Even more remarkable when one considers that Ethiopia was a mainly Christian country since the 5th and 6th centuries, the only on left on the African continent after the Muslim Arabic expansion.
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Originally posted by barish

Originally posted by gcle2003

Modern Turkey is a Turkish colony.

What do you mean by that?
 
Zagros' definition was "Well I take colonising to mean making settlements in territories acquired (by whatever means)."
 
Asia minor is 'Turkey' because large numbers of Turks settled there in the wake of military conquest.
 
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Well, it seems my concept of colonization is different from yours.

Not all conquests are colonizations.

I think colonization didn't used to exist until Europeans begin to make geographic explorations for materials and labour.
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Originally posted by barish

As far as I know, colonization is an alien concept to Turks.
 
Right, so the Ottoman occupation in the Balkans, Caucasus, Syria, Egypt, Mesopotamia and North Africa was... what exactly? Just because a colonized country is adjacent to the colonizer, that does not make it any less colonized.
 
Same goes for Russia: actually one of the biggest colonizers in history, where much of Eastern Europe (Ukraine, the Baltic countries, BEearus, Moldova, the Caucasus, Crimea, parts of the old Kazan and Astrakhan khanates), Central Asia (the 5 "stans') and Siberia wer all colonies.
 
Perhaps we should define a "colony" since some people seem to be confused. My definition is a country or an area which is inhabited by a people which is different linguistically and culturally from the colonizer country, and where the colonizer has forcefully imposed a situation whereby the colonized country is forced to accept certain restrictions upon its trading, and where most of its economic surplus ends up in the colonizer country rather than in the colonized country itself.
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