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Zagros 
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 Topic: Whos achieved more Arabs or Persians???Posted: 18-Jun-2006 at 13:57 |
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No, it is an out-dated nazi term referring to skull shapes not hair/eye colour etc. The man in my avatar is an example of this classification.
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Bulldog
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Posted: 18-Jun-2006 at 12:58 |
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If were referring to Middle East proper, not including the Caucauses or Near East, the middle east is not more diverse than Europe. For the past two thousand years there have been three very dominant nations, Arabs, Turks, Persians as a result they represent the majorirty of people in the region today. Edited by Bulldog - 18-Jun-2006 at 12:59 |
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Posted: 18-Jun-2006 at 10:33 |
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Yeh but Europe has more range in eye colour, hair colour.
Irano-nordoids
 Do you mean blonde haired blue eyed Nordics??? |
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Zagros
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Posted: 17-Jun-2006 at 17:06 |
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Nor the Irano-"Negroids" in Iran. sheesh.
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PrznKonectoid
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Posted: 17-Jun-2006 at 16:02 |
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well there are Armenians and Hazaras in Iran too so it doesn't matter for my argument.
It kind of depends which source you look at as to whether Armenia or Afghanistan are part of the middle east. In reality ther is no God-defined region called the middle-east, only general areas sociologists have grouped together.
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Giannis
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Posted: 17-Jun-2006 at 13:14 |
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I'm a little be confused, is Armenia and Afghanistan parts of Middle-East?
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PrznKonectoid
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Posted: 17-Jun-2006 at 13:09 |
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In terms of languages yes. Not historically speaking but the Arabs did wipe out a lot of indigenous languages which were replaced with Arabic.
In terms of looks not really. In fact I'd say middle-east has more extreme range. Don't forget the negroids in south Yemen, the remainants of Mongol tribes in Afghanistan, Alpines in Lebanon and the Caucaus mountains, Dinarids in Armenia, Irano-nordoids across the IRanian plateau and Afghanistan.
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Posted: 14-Jun-2006 at 09:53 |
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In terms of languages Europe is more diverse. In terms of looks Europe is more diverse.
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kingofmazanderan
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 19:05 |
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Saying all kurds are just kurds would be the same as me saying all people who speak a celtic langwage are all celtic.(scotts,irish,welsh)
so you see your wrong Bulldog
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Bulldog
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 19:04 |
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Apart from language there is not a huge difference like say the difference between the French and Sweedish.
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mamikon
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 18:29 |
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Kurds, Arabs, Turks, Persians arn't really all that different to each other, I mean there not really fundamental huge differences.
is that a joke...? |
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Bulldog
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 17:45 |
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But this is like saying middle east is diverse there are Syrians, Iraqi's, Lebanease etc but actually there all Arab and speak Arabic.
Arnt all the Kurds just Kurds, I mean they speak Kurdish and identify themselves as Kurds?
The Qashqai, Azeri, Turkoman are Turks and speak Turkish.
If you see where I'm going I'm just pointing out that its not actually as diverse as Europe.
For example, French, Germans, Dutch, Itallians, Sweeds, English........ these are all vastly different to one another.
Kurds, Arabs, Turks, Persians arn't really all that different to each other, I mean there not really fundamental huge differences.
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Zagros
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 17:33 |
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Iran has more than just that, we have Lors, Bakhtiari, Qashqai, Azari, Turkoman, Turkish, Persian, Kurdish Feyli, Kurdish Sorani, Kurdish Kermanji, Kurdish Gorani, Kurdish Yazidi (all different), Balochi, Pashtun, we have a minority with a Dravidian tongue (from pre Aryan period), Jews, Gilaki, Mazandarani, Georgian, Armenian, Assyrian, Catholics, Protestants, Zaroastrians, Shia, Sunni, Baha'i --- all with a frm historical root except the catholics and protestants. That is Iran alone. Edited by Zagros - 13-Jun-2006 at 17:35 |
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Bulldog
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 17:28 |
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Its not though.
There are five main groups in the Middle East, if we don't count the Caucauses as included.
Arabs, Jews, Kurds, Turks, Persians.
There are smaller communities of Assyrians, Druze
Well in Iran there is more diversity but if you don't include Iran than its Arabs, Jews, Kurds, Turks so it cannot be considered as diverse as Europe in today's world, historically speaking it has been very diverse but not today.
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Akolouthos
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 16:54 |
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Aye, agreed Zagros; especially considering the gradual, unconscious reduction of cultural differences, and the increasingly globalistic--or at least internationalistic--influences in and on European countries since the second half of the twentieth century.
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Zagros
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 16:47 |
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in terms of language alone... yes. but culturally, europe I would say is about as diverse as the middle east.
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Bulldog
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 14:25 |
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Today's middle east is less diverse than Europe.
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Decebal
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 09:24 |
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I wouldn't necessarily say that the Middle East is far more diverse than Europe. They are both very diverse, but the Middle East has had a longer recorded history than Europe. But that doesn't make it far more diverse than Europe. Let''s not rebuff an ignorant statement with another ignorant statement.
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malizai_
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 06:14 |
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Through the Arabs and Turks, Persian architecture and influences reached far and wide. They both achieved. Not just them but Greeks too with the reintroduction of Greek sciences and wisdom to a world which had lost them, but had been fortunately preserved by the persians along with their own.
Edited by malizai_ - 13-Jun-2006 at 08:00 |
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azimuth
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Posted: 13-Jun-2006 at 04:29 |
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actully its the other way around, ME is far more diverse than Europe, the Middle east is the cradle of civilization and that is mesopotamia not iran as you wrote somewhere in this forum. Mesopotamian's history goes far more than 7000 years ago, not to mention the Egyptians, the phonecians, the Akkadians ( first Empire in the world ), the Assyrians, the Babylonians... ect
persians started contributing significantly in the Middle eastern History from around 2500 years ago.
Arabs Before Islam had kingdoms and built cities but they were not as significant as the persians, After Islam Arabic and Islamic influence became the Significant factor in the Region and that was around 1400 years ago.
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