They have the right to be Turkish

Despite protections, however, ethnic Turks suffer a host of human rights violations. The Greek state has for the most part been unable to accept the fact that one can be a loyal Greek citizen and, at the same time, an ethnic Turk proud of his or her culture and religion. Turks are viewed by the state with suspicion, the strength of which largely reflects the state of Turkish-Greek relations.

source human rights watch

Edited by Dr Sadik Ahmet - 20-Jun-2006 at 15:17

Originally posted by Spartakus Of course they were and are,in a degree, viewed with suspicion.Look who we have for neighbour.

Edited by Dr Sadik Ahmet - 20-Jun-2006 at 17:14

The picture that you show Sadik is tottally nationalistic and propagandistic.None of the Muslim minority(Turkish or Pomak) bitten to death from the Greek police.

Originally posted by mamikon at least Greece has a Turkish minority...you dont see a greek minority in Turkey do you? unless you count the 4000 living in Istanbul before you see the splinter in his eye, see the log in yours...

What a totally absurd and ridiculous statement! What "log" do Balkan Turks have in their eyes, and how is it that Turks outside Turkey are guilty of Turkey's violations against its own minorities?
Everybody is responsible for their own actions, and not those of others. How can you judged Turks in Bulgaria and Greece by the actions of Turks in Turkey?

You put all Turks under the same denominator, and imply that since some Turks have comitted crimes and thus have "log in their eyes", other innocent Turks should be punished as well.

You sound like a nationalist Turk, who would justify the violations against Armenians in Turkey, by the fact that Armenia has killed, massacred, cleansed, expelled, deported and evacuated all the Turks not only from her own territories but also from those that were illegally invaded by her  (hardly a single live Turk remains in Armenian control lands today).


Edited by bg_turk - 20-Jun-2006 at 18:54

I cannot believe that this is even being argued after 25 years of Greece being a part of the EU.

25 years and this ridiculous crime against everything the EU stands for has been ignored, the most simple and basic human right which is to be allowed to express your identity and have free speech.

Does Greece not realise what the EU is "supposed" to be all about.

This is disgusting, to even think there are people who can have the audacity to argue against people being able to express who they are.

This is a gross violation of EU law, how can people not be allowed to express with safety who and what they are.

The Turks and other minorities of Greece should organise themselves and file a serious complaint to the EU.

If these minorities are unable to do so due to Greek state intervention of their rights than surrounding countries like Albania, Macedonia, soon to be Kosovo, Turkey should organise human rights groups and organisations for these minorities to help them. This is only a "forum" and the sheer level of unbelievable denial and oppression of people's rights being shown is shocking, if its this bad in a forum I can't begin to imagine what it's like in real life.

Originally posted by akritas The picture that you show Sadik is tottally nationalistic and propagandistic.None of the Muslim minority(Turkish or Pomak) bitten to death from the Greek police. Give me your source of your pictures or any relative articles about this Mythological Claim?

But the Turkish community reports that important problems remain, chiefly involving education; expropriation of land; the selection of muftis, the religious leaders of the Moslem minority; and control of the wakfs (charitable foundations). Moreover, the Greek government continued during 1991 to deprive hundreds of ethnic Turks of their Greek citizenship. In addition, police harassment of ethnic Turks continues, although to a lesser degree. Associations and schools still cannot call themselves "Turkish," Turkish language newspapers, books and magazines cannot be brought from Turkey into Western Thrace, and Turkish television is still jammed. Moreover, ethnic Turks are discriminated against in employment and in the provision of services.

Source human rights watch

Originally posted by Bulldog I cannot believe that this is even being argued after 25 years of Greece being a part of the EU. 25 years and this ridiculous crime against everything the EU stands for has been ignored, the most simple and basic human right which is to be allowed to express your identity and have free speech. Does Greece not realise what the EU is "supposed" to be all about. This is disgusting, to even think there are people who can have the audacity to argue against people being able to express who they are. This is a gross violation of EU law, how can people not be allowed to express with safety who and what they are. The Turks and other minorities of Greece should organise themselves and file a serious complaint to the EU. If these minorities are unable to do so due to Greek state intervention of their rights than surrounding countries like Albania, Macedonia, soon to be Kosovo, Turkey should organise human rights groups and organisations for these minorities to help them. This is only a "forum" and the sheer level of unbelievable denial and oppression of people's rights being shown is shocking, if its this bad in a forum I can't begin to imagine what it's like in real life.

Edited by Dr Sadik Ahmet - 21-Jun-2006 at 03:05

No, turkish television is not jammed in Thrace. I've been to my relatives in Soufli (western bank of Evros). We could get like 2 Greek channels and more than 5 turkish!

Originally posted by Bulldog I cannot believe that this is even being argued after 25 years of Greece being a part of the EU. 25 years and this ridiculous crime against everything the EU stands for has been ignored, the most simple and basic human right which is to be allowed to express your identity and have free speech. Does Greece not realise what the EU is "supposed" to be all about. This is disgusting, to even think there are people who can have the audacity to argue against people being able to express who they are. This is a gross violation of EU law, how can people not be allowed to express with safety who and what they are. The Turks and other minorities of Greece should organise themselves and file a serious complaint to the EU. If these minorities are unable to do so due to Greek state intervention of their rights than surrounding countries like Albania, Macedonia, soon to be Kosovo, Turkey should organise human rights groups and organisations for these minorities to help them. This is only a "forum" and the sheer level of unbelievable denial and oppression of people's rights being shown is shocking, if its this bad in a forum I can't begin to imagine what it's like in real life.

Originally posted by Yiannis Originally posted by Dr Sadik Ahmet     Do you think they deserved this just for calling themselves Turkish?   (Image shows the events after Dr Sadik Ahmet called himself and the minority Turkish. One of the minority members beaten (correction beaten not bitten) to death by Greek Police)   I have edited the picture, which was irrelevant to the imaginary "fact" of the killing of a demonstrator by the police, that you mention. There was never such an incident and you have made me lose my time researching for nothing. The only death in this sorry incident was a Greek national who died in hospital, after a fight with a Muslim, motive unclear.   You're spreading false information and it's clear that that you're a troll in this forum with a one-topic mission. This is a history forum and not a floor show for the spreading of nationalistic propaganda, if you want there're plenty of forums for your like where you'll feel much more comfortable.   In the meantime, provide your sources ASAP for this "fact" or you will receive an immediate official warning.