Racism towards Gypsies

here here Constantine

I have to admit the one group that gets the criminal tag are the gypsies. Just like Achilles, i use to hear stories of how they always use to got moved along by the police and that they are theives. Maybe if they were allowed to settle and be accepted that they would have a chance to do better, was my retort to such stories when i grew up and new better.

This is a social issue that (from what i hear is getting slowly addressed in greece)  in general (the whole balkans) is one of neglect and bigotry. They get treated like black sh*t in the czeck republic, yet can earn good dollar in many parts of former yugoslavia, (i hear this from a bosnian) as entertainers/musicians.

There is a very tenacoius cycle of dicrimination here, that just having the opportunty to get educated isnt going to break, it takes a more than that.

shouldnt this move into intellectual discussion?

 

I think the Roma people (they dont called themselves Gypsy or tzigani) suffers because they dont have a homeland and this constitute a psychological motif to have not much enthuziasm for work, study etc.


Also they feel very frustrated and this gives them a feeling of hatred for the peoples in the contries they live. And this hatred makes them wishing to always cheat and look down upon other people and that makes them unlikable.




By other hand, they feel that their lives have not great achievements and for that they turn to make many children, trying to convince themselves that they realised something in their lifes. And that is exasperating the Romanians. Some Roma women reach 10-18 children.

Gypsies bring all this hatred upon themselves. Maybe if they got off their backsides and actually did something to the benefit of their community, to show people " hey look! we don't deserve this stereotype" then attitudes would change. How do you help a people that won't help themselves?

Originally posted by Gargoyle Gypsies bring all this hatred upon themselves. Maybe if they got off their backsides and actually did something to the benefit of their community, to show people " hey look! we don't deserve this stereotype" then attitudes would change. How do you help a people that won't help themselves?

As i dont know any Gypsies what do they look like, Im thinking dark skinned, dark hair an dark eyes??????

They look darker, but only generally speaking and im guessing this also varies in what part of europe one is talking about.

Originally posted by bg_turk Up to half-a-million were killed by the Nazis - but their plight is often forgotten and they remain "demonised". Amazing! Half a million gypsies have been killed by the Nazis, and hardly anyone knows about it. This simply reinforces my conviction that the recognition of a crime as a Genocide is all about how powerful the group advocating such a recognition is.

Oblivion is the final step of genocide. Only when we forget a genocide happened, it has fully succeeded.

Komnenos,

I agree with you, what the Nazis did to the 6 million jews, and 5 hundred thousand gypsies is terrible. Also, don't forget the 6 million polish and the 25 million soviets and the other millions of people who died in WWII. It's amazing how the German people actually voted Hitler and the Nazis into power.

Whether you belive my post is a pathetic comment or not is your problem. I personally have no problem with any race in this world. That's what is so great about living in Australia, you meet and make freinds with people from nearly all Nationalities. What I do have a problem with, is Criminals, Anti Social Behaviour, and People who think that the World owes them a Living. Anyone in this world, if they are prepared to work hard and make an effort, can become succesful and live a happy life. It is only a question of how badly they want it. Poverty is no excuse.

I have never met a person from Eastern Europe who likes gypsies. But I am quite sure that if there was a change in behaviour, on the part of the gypsies themselves, then peoples attitudes would change. I agree with previous posts, there are gypsies out there that do have their act together and are decent people,(I have even met some) but unfortunately they are a minority. This is not a Race issue, it is a Behaviour issue.




    

Edited by Gargoyle - 06-Jun-2006 at 09:58

It's amazing how the German people actually voted Hitler and the Nazis into power.

I think a good Roma guy doesnt hide his nationality . I've meet such guys.

 The ones who try to hide their origin are bad guys.




In Romania I think that there are ~4 milions Roma and Romanian-Roma metises. They are spread in all cities and most of the villages but the biggest concetration is in Bucarest and Southern Romania.


Is sad that there are very few Romanian new borns in Bucarest, most babies of Bucarest are from Roma and metis families.




Roma people usualy dont like to be of this ethnicity. They want to hide their origin, to have a light colored skin and that, together with the metising process, make that most of the gipsies in Romania to not have a dark coloured skin.

In fact most of Romanians consider as Romanian people who actualy are Roma. This was also my case, after years I heard that some of my acquaintances or public personalities that they are half Roma.


But also there are pure Roma people, with dark skin and Indian morphology of the face and body.



Edited by Menumorut - 06-Jun-2006 at 14:43