Popular Falsities in History

Originally posted by Maharbbal How nice these clever guys: two lovebirds.

    
Here's a picture of Cleopatra and Mark Antony from a Provincial Tetradrachm that I wish I had in my Coin Collection.



She looks Hellenistic to me.

Originally posted by gcle2003 Looking at Cleopatra, and remembering the stories, I can't help thinking maybe the artist got something wrong.   However, Antony has a broken nose like me, so he can't have been all bad.

Originally posted by Arb�r Z Another mistake made by the racial ideologues of the neo-nazis in europe and elsewhere is that Christian is the "white-european" faith. 1. "white-european"(Hebrews and other semito hamitic cultures excluded), which is an abusive term might relate to indoeuropean culture, and as far as i know in the origins all the cultures belonging to this group were pagan and polytheist. They were christianised only in A.D

indoeuropean invasion is a slightly outdated topic since they discovered this usefull thing that is called DNA. Don't use it like that for anything not related to linguistics or religion.
why jews are not white? my dad is a white as one can be and semitic.

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Be careful using this argument. It has been used over and over again and now far right people have arguments to answer to that. It is a very convinent way to "lose" a debate.

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Once again be careful. For extrem rightists whether it proves the superiority of the White or it is mere shame that undermen are allowed to worship the same God as them.

M.

"Chinese invented gunpowder only used for fireworks"

2. The monotheistic beliefs or religions (christian and muslim) were both initiated by two "non-white" (i don't like this term and would rather use Indoeuropean). Christ was a hebrew named Joshuah and Mohammad was an arabian.

Jesus was a Jew; born, raised, and died as one. It seems that you are implying that he wasn't.

I also don't fully understand what this "non-white" element has to do with anything. Are you insisting that Jesus was "white." What is the definition of "white" here?

I can tell you that in the U.S., Jesus would not have been considered white by the majority of the population, many who still have nasty anti-semitic beliefs.
    

Edited by hugoestr - 31-May-2006 at 09:49

Here are a few:

Native Americans--in all of the Americas--didn't know what alcohol was until Europeans came here.

This belief is refuted by a number of pre-columbian myths where alcohol plays a key element of the stories.

John Smith and Pocahontas fell in love and got married... oh, and I am a descendent of them.

I just learned recently that Pocahontas was between 8 and 12 when she met John Smith. They never had a love affair, and they never got married.

Native Americans thought that europeans on horses were man-horse creatures

Deer existed in most of Northern America and there were llamas in South America. Anyone looking at these animals can easily conclude that a horse is some kind of deer/llama. And it is quite obvious that a man is riding it, not part of it :)

Native Americans didn't mind the new British colonies because they have a different concept of private property, don't believe land can be owned, or they have some kind of squatters rights value built into their culture

When Captain Christopher Newport arrived with his three ships, the Chesapeake Indians of the Cape Henry region, drove a landing party back to the ships. Curiosity turned to mistrust and fear quickly as the result of the settlers' misunderstanding of the local situation. About a week after the initial attack, Newport took a small boat up the river on a reconnoitering, get-acquainted mission, stopping at various Indian villages.

It seems that they didn't just let the British set up camp peacefully, after all.

Originally posted by Maharbbal Originally posted by Arb�r Z Another mistake made by the racial ideologues of the neo-nazis in europe and elsewhere is that Christian is the "white-european" faith. 1. "white-european"(Hebrews and other semito hamitic cultures excluded), which is an abusive term might relate to indoeuropean culture, and as far as i know in the origins all the cultures belonging to this group were pagan and polytheist. They were christianised only in A.D indoeuropean invasion is a slightly outdated topic since they discovered this usefull thing that is called DNA. Don't use it like that for anything not related to linguistics or religion. why jews are not white? my dad is a white as one can be and semitic. 2. The monotheistic beliefs or religions (christian and muslim) were both initiated by two "non-white" (i don't like this term and would rather use Indoeuropean). Christ was a hebrew named Joshuah and Mohammad was an arabian.

Be careful using this argument. It has been used over and over again and now far right people have arguments to answer to that. It is a very convinent way to "lose" a debate.

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Originally posted by Mixcoatl Exactly. Until disease ravaged the Native Americans of New England, they did not allow the British to build a colony. The Native Americans who allowed the pilgrims to settle only did so because they had been decimated by disease, and hoped the British would prove a useful ally against a neighboring tribe (that was still unaffected by disease).

Let's not replace one misconception with another! This is true in many cases, but not in all cases. Some native groups had no problem at all with the earliest settlements - they didn't really impact on them much. A good example is the French colony on Ile Saint Croix, the only problem the Passamaquoddy had with it was that they were worried (with good reason, as it turns out) that the settlers were going to starve to death. Ile Saint Croix had to be abandoned when they nearly did, and the new colony at Port Royal was established - enjoying good relations with the Micmac right up until its charter was revoked and the settlement abandoned (the chief of the Micmac even looked after the structure until the return of the French). The Micmac were also concerned that the settlers didn't have the skills to feed themselves and survive, and spent time instructing them how to fish and hunt. Relations were so good that when Samual Argall attacked Port Royal in 1613, the inhabitants fled and were sheltered by the Micmac. When the Jesuits finally sent 2 missionaries over, they complained to the king because the priest of the colony had baptized the local Micmacs but refused to make them abandon their "paganism". They also wrote disparaging accounts about the Micmac "savages". All this occasioned hostility from the settlers towards the Jesuits, which eventually resulted in the colony's charter being revoked (again!). Port Royal is the first permanent European colony in North America (outside of Mexico, that is); the Puritan pilgrims didn't show up until later.

Natives didn't have any single, unitary response to the appearance of the Europeans. Some tried to chase off the newcomers, others welcomed them as allies against other native groups or as trade partners.

However the myth about allowing colonies due to an abscence of notions about land use is indeed false. In the area where the French arrived, native leaders called sagamos held authority over a defined district and were responsible for the well-being of the families that were present in that district at any given time (groups often wandered from district to district depending on the season or for other reasons). People using that land gave the sagamo gifts which he redistributed to those that needed them (being a sagamo was about prestige, not wealth). But the colonists at Port Royal immediatly seemed to understand this system and basically participated in it, particularly the system of exchange and redistribution, as both givers and receivers.
    
    
    

Edited by edgewaters - 02-Jun-2006 at 00:32

The spanish ships of the Armada Invencible was for mediterranean waters