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    Posted: 27-Jun-2006 at 22:21
The SAS,Delta and Seal Team 6. While the Spetznaz is learning to kill people with shovels these guys are shooting lasers out there eyes and flames out their rear ends. Their funding is practically unlimited and equipment unreal.

Grey Fox seems to be the new buzz of these type units. Not sure what the scope of their missions are though.
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  Quote Dampier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jun-2006 at 12:29
Who exactly are Grey Fox? (Gray Fox, hah, no Americanisms for me!Wink)
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  Quote Gundamor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jun-2006 at 13:25
Originally posted by Dampier

Who exactly are Grey Fox? (Gray Fox, hah, no Americanisms for me![IMG]height=17 alt=Wink src="http://www.allempires.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>)



To be honest who knows lol. There alot of articles on them but you cant really say which ones actually hold water. Seems to be mostly an intelligence unit with maybe a little killing and kidnaping on the side. Very elite and maybe the best of the best for the U.S.. I'm sure the British and the rest of the world have them too. With all there little funny names Centra spike,Royal cape, The Activity etc.
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  Quote Laelius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Jun-2006 at 18:56
I just hope he isn't referencing the character from Metal Gear...
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  Quote Gundamor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Jun-2006 at 19:28
Originally posted by Laelius

I just hope he isn't referencing the character from Metal Gear...


haha or the animal,movie,web design etc...
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  Quote Dampier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jun-2006 at 13:41
Originally posted by Gundamor

Originally posted by Dampier

Who exactly are Grey Fox? (Gray Fox, hah, no Americanisms for me![IMG]height=17 alt=Wink src="http://www.allempires.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>)



To be honest who knows lol. There alot of articles on them but you cant really say which ones actually hold water. Seems to be mostly an intelligence unit with maybe a little killing and kidnaping on the side. Very elite and maybe the best of the best for the U.S.. I'm sure the British and the rest of the world have them too. With all there little funny names Centra spike,Royal cape, The Activity etc.
 
Ah, thanks. Yeah, everyone has these, just a question of whether they work for the Intelligence services or military.
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  Quote Pacifist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jul-2006 at 19:38
I don't think there is much difference in quality between special forces within NATO, Israel, and Russia.


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  Quote Exarchus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 03:12
What would be the French special forces? The Foreign Legion or the Dragons?
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  Quote pogy366 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 08:53
... brutality can overcome plenty of things but it will eventually fall short so while Russian SF may be physically tough and ruthless, it doesn't mean they're the  best, hands-down.

Why use a battle axe when a single thrust with a dagger can accomplish the same end result?

All SF forces put their operators through training that tests their mental and physical abillities. Each has their own method but in the end they all work to ensure that the candidates have what it takes. Saying that one is tougher than the other seems like a moot point.

But above the physical challenge, its the mental tests applied to the candidates in time of physical stress that is key.

Go ahead and beat the $%&@ out of a guy. Break his arm or stab him. Great, he can take it. But can he make sound, intelligent decisions quickly while getting &%@#$ up?

To be honest, i don't know the Russian program, but looking at the SAS selection (or the Delta selection based on the SAS) is pretty tough, but not because someone is standing there beating you with a shovel.
Being pushed to the very edge of physical and mental endurance and then having to continue using your head to maintian course and time, while being isolated from others, is an incredible challenge to say the least.

And that's just to make it past the first stage.

Like it was said in an earlier post, it's damn near impossible to give credit to the world's best SF unit. But you can say that they all kick ass. That's an easier call to make.

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What would be the Spanish and Italian Spec Ops units?
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  Quote pogy366 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jul-2006 at 09:51
Spain
Grupo Especiale Para Los Operaciones (GEO) - equal to SAS or Delta

Unidad Especial de Intervencion (UEI) - equal to a police SWAT team

Italy
Gruppo Invervento Speciale (GIS)  - equal to the SAS

Commando Raggruppamento Subacquei e Incursori (COMSUBIN) - equal to the US Navy SEALs






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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Jul-2006 at 05:58
But I like best, Turkish Red Berrets
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  Quote Sikander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Aug-2006 at 12:46
IMO Special forces can be divided into SF and SOF. SF are things like paratroopers, rangers ans marines while SOF are things like Seals, Spetznaz, SAS, etc.
 
Don't forget the Italian "Bats". Their role is to infiltrate into the enemy's rear and then communicate to base in order to give Italian forces good targets to their missiles/planes. They must be so stealthy that the job is well done only when they're not detected and don't use their weapons, not even once.
 
Don't forget also the Portuguese Comandos (equivalent to US Rangers) and Fuzileiros (Marines), plus the Fuzileiros' Destacamento de Aces Especiais (DAE), the best unit in the Portuguese armed forces, equivalent to SEAL and SAS/SBS. They participated in numerous semi-reported actions in Africa plus seizing drug ships "a la" Royal Marine Commandos.
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  Quote Cezar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Aug-2006 at 15:05
Well, for some time I've been in the SF/SOF or whatever. I'll just stick to our USLA boys.
 
USLA=Unitate Speciala pentru Lupta Antiterorista => SATFU=Special Anti-Terrorist Fighting Unit.
 
*btw I met some Spetz, they were great. But still yhere is no way I could compare them with the SAS or the DElta or the others. Nevertheless cpt. "Rudevsky" spoke highly about the SAS.
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  Quote Exarchus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Aug-2006 at 08:53
http://www.forces-speciales.org/armees,defense,armee-francaise,page,index,mod,france-armee.fr.html

For those interested, a good source on the French Special Forces (but in French).
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  Quote aghart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Aug-2006 at 05:25
Originally posted by Dampier

Red berets? If you are talking about the British Paratroops (who started the whole red beret thing and are also known as the Red Devils) then  probably not but it isnt for lack of trying, they are tough, tough men.
 
 
SBS isnt as good as SAS but they are still quite excellent. Royal Marine Commandos, while not quite a Special forces unit are similarly excellent.
 
Indeed.  The British Parachute Regiment are not regarded as "special forces" but the fact that a high proportion of SAS soldiers are ex para's says a lot I think. Royal Marine Commandoes are also not officially "special forces" either but they are "special".  Every Royal Marine (except the band) is also a fully trained commando!!. 
 
Other countries have Marines who are simply "Naval"  soldiers (very tough and good soldiers but simply soldiers non  the less).  In other countries you can be a Marine but not a commando, In the UK you can't be a Marine without being a Commando!!!   
 
Having said that,  it is a crying shame that due to overstretch in the British Army our specialised Marine Commando units are being deployed and used  as infantry in Iraq & Afghanistan.
 
As for the SBS? they are based in Poole!  I live in Poole!!  and would not like a visit!!! Ouch so hey you guys,  you are the tops Big smile


Edited by aghart - 13-Aug-2006 at 05:27
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This list is really by no means fair in many senses because each has a unique and out standing mission profile and training which is why i'm damn glad we have a 'joint spec ops cmd' that can integrate and cross organise now to include NATO mission requirements except for number 6.... but here ya go.

1. SAS/SBS/Seals..deadheat

2. US Rangers/Fleet Marine Reconn/Royal Marine comandos..deadheat

3. USAF SAR/British SRR

4. French RPIMa and GROUFUMACO
 
5. special nods to the  German KSK...Israeli's and Norwegians.
 
 
6.Spetznaz
 
 
 anybody else patterns their stuff on these guys imo
 
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  Quote reis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2006 at 14:05

what do you know About Turkish red berets. I think nothing. Dont forget they r the best in the world.They won all SF competition with being first expect for two competition.They are trained about Delta force,Ranger ,kontr geurilla..They teach other country's SF . and most of American specialist says  Turkish special forces better than us.. by the way ı registered two minutes ago. ı m your new friend :-))

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  Quote reis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2006 at 14:12

by the way most of SF commandos are good trained but they are trained with artificial tests. they r far from real enemy. they havent any experiance about real war. no education prepare you this moment. but Turkish red berets are trained in real war . you know Turkey has a big terrism problem.South of the Turkey there are much rebel who attacks ppl. so the last part of red berets training  is done in real war. what do you know about confidence shooting fire

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