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    Posted: 11-Oct-2006 at 09:36
U guys seen the serbian SAJ they are pretty good
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There is more in Wikipedia
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    http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/20-08-2004/6631-alpha-0
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desimir ive never heard of them. can you post a link?would like to know more.Smile
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    My opinion is that the best special forces in the world are russian and especially VYMPEL and ALPHA.For the statistic i will say that alpha losses are only 7 since their creation and for vympel i dont know,there are no reports.My arguments are many.They are very tough,dont rely on modern advanced systems and technologies and they get used to poor life and lack of resources.Most of their recruits are childrens who are trained during their whole life.The fact that every man from these forces can shoot with AK perfectly(it is very unaccurate weapon)only shows their skills.
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Originally posted by gerghoi zukuf

spetnez and sas.that it. every thing elese sucks.other countries just copied the british and germans
 
Umm, Spetnatz is Russian...
 
Not only that but the German SF has generally been weak. Skorzenys men were good but based around a charismatic figure  (like the British Chindits). The Brandenburgers ended up often being wasted as bog standard infantry on the Eastern front. America however has a long history of SF such as Rangers, Merills Marauders, OSS Detatchment 101, Marine Raiders, Amphibious Scouts....
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spetnez and sas.that it. every thing elese sucks.other countries just copied the british and germans
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they hold a competetion every year to find out who is the best already.havent you heard?( i am serious )
 1.vehicle rescue
  2.defusing a bomb
  3.navigation
  4.etc.

 last two years Red Berets of Turkish Army won :).they are the best
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Originally posted by Leonidas

i read that spetnaz are more like crack troop/commando's ratther than the SAS or seals spec opps.
 
I think you are right.  This is probably because the Russians don't have enough money for part D of the "formula".   At one time, Seal Team 6 alone was shooting more pistol ammunition that the entire U.S. Marine Corps.  Then add the expense of the daily /nightly helicopter and aircraft usage, travel to training sites etc. etc.
 


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i read that spetnaz are more like crack troop/commando's ratther than the SAS or seals spec opps.
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It is too hard to tell who is the best.   The formula for creating ultra skilled special forces  was first created by the Brtish and gave rise to the SAS.  Since then, the formula has spread through out the world and many nations have identical forces.
 
The formula is....
 
A. Pofessional Officers and Professional NCOS are selectedby their peers for their fitness and intelligence
B.  They go through a very well thought out and very  demanding training program
C. The Special Forces unit is allowed to independently develop tactics, skills, strategies etc.
D. An incredible amount of money is spent on training,  hi tech weapons, and hi tech equipment.   
E.  Institutional knowledge is passed on to the next generation.
 
The result is SAS, Spetsnaz, Seals, GSG-9, Saryet etc. etc.    
 
 
 


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by the way most of SF commandos are good trained but they are trained with artificial tests. they r far from real enemy. they havent any experiance about real war. no education prepare you this moment. but Turkish red berets are trained in real war . you know Turkey has a big terrism problem.South of the Turkey there are much rebel who attacks ppl. so the last part of red berets training  is done in real war. what do you know about confidence shooting fire
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what do you know About Turkish red berets. I think nothing. Dont forget they r the best in the world.They won all SF competition with being first expect for two competition.They are trained about Delta force,Ranger ,kontr geurilla..They teach other country's SF . and most of American specialist says  Turkish special forces better than us.. by the way ı registered two minutes ago. ı m your new friend :-))
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This list is really by no means fair in many senses because each has a unique and out standing mission profile and training which is why i'm damn glad we have a 'joint spec ops cmd' that can integrate and cross organise now to include NATO mission requirements except for number 6.... but here ya go.

1. SAS/SBS/Seals..deadheat

2. US Rangers/Fleet Marine Reconn/Royal Marine comandos..deadheat

3. USAF SAR/British SRR

4. French RPIMa and GROUFUMACO
 
5. special nods to the  German KSK...Israeli's and Norwegians.
 
 
6.Spetznaz
 
 
 anybody else patterns their stuff on these guys imo
 
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Originally posted by Dampier

Red berets? If you are talking about the British Paratroops (who started the whole red beret thing and are also known as the Red Devils) then  probably not but it isnt for lack of trying, they are tough, tough men.
 
 
SBS isnt as good as SAS but they are still quite excellent. Royal Marine Commandos, while not quite a Special forces unit are similarly excellent.
 
Indeed.  The British Parachute Regiment are not regarded as "special forces" but the fact that a high proportion of SAS soldiers are ex para's says a lot I think. Royal Marine Commandoes are also not officially "special forces" either but they are "special".  Every Royal Marine (except the band) is also a fully trained commando!!. 
 
Other countries have Marines who are simply "Naval"  soldiers (very tough and good soldiers but simply soldiers non  the less).  In other countries you can be a Marine but not a commando, In the UK you can't be a Marine without being a Commando!!!   
 
Having said that,  it is a crying shame that due to overstretch in the British Army our specialised Marine Commando units are being deployed and used  as infantry in Iraq & Afghanistan.
 
As for the SBS? they are based in Poole!  I live in Poole!!  and would not like a visit!!! Ouch so hey you guys,  you are the tops Big smile


Edited by aghart - 13-Aug-2006 at 05:27
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http://www.forces-speciales.org/armees,defense,armee-francaise,page,index,mod,france-armee.fr.html

For those interested, a good source on the French Special Forces (but in French).
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Well, for some time I've been in the SF/SOF or whatever. I'll just stick to our USLA boys.
 
USLA=Unitate Speciala pentru Lupta Antiterorista => SATFU=Special Anti-Terrorist Fighting Unit.
 
*btw I met some Spetz, they were great. But still yhere is no way I could compare them with the SAS or the DElta or the others. Nevertheless cpt. "Rudevsky" spoke highly about the SAS.
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IMO Special forces can be divided into SF and SOF. SF are things like paratroopers, rangers ans marines while SOF are things like Seals, Spetznaz, SAS, etc.
 
Don't forget the Italian "Bats". Their role is to infiltrate into the enemy's rear and then communicate to base in order to give Italian forces good targets to their missiles/planes. They must be so stealthy that the job is well done only when they're not detected and don't use their weapons, not even once.
 
Don't forget also the Portuguese Comandos (equivalent to US Rangers) and Fuzileiros (Marines), plus the Fuzileiros' Destacamento de Aces Especiais (DAE), the best unit in the Portuguese armed forces, equivalent to SEAL and SAS/SBS. They participated in numerous semi-reported actions in Africa plus seizing drug ships "a la" Royal Marine Commandos.
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But I like best, Turkish Red Berrets
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