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    Posted: 26-Sep-2007 at 08:44
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i do not understend why you can not accept thet the British empire was the biggest?
...exactly in "the biggest empire" you refer to land controlled, culturally or tehnologicaly advanced?
 
Our ideas are all divided because none of us agreed on the definition of empire. So we are technically going in circles right now.
 
I wonder, does sea count as land in terms of empire's size?
 
 
 
why not?, in part we could consider it...
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  Quote Illirac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Sep-2007 at 08:43
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the mongols brought nothing but destruction....the british brought at least some advance...
 
And how is this relevent to our topic?
 
 
above he said, thet the mongols controlled a great landmass..they killed everyone who stand in their path, so pratically what they conquered was nothing(for me) 
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  Quote pekau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Sep-2007 at 20:05
Originally posted by Illirac

i do not understend why you can not accept thet the British empire was the biggest?
...exactly in "the biggest empire" you refer to land controlled, culturally or tehnologicaly advanced?
 
Our ideas are all divided because none of us agreed on the definition of empire. So we are technically going in circles right now.
 
I wonder, does sea count as land in terms of empire's size?
 
 
     
   
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  Quote pekau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Sep-2007 at 20:03
Originally posted by Illirac

the mongols brought nothing but destruction....the british brought at least some advance...
 
And how is this relevent to our topic?
     
   
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The biggest family of Empires were made by East Asians and its relatives (read Turks, Mongols and Amerindians)... Between them there is almost a monopoly in civilizations around the world...
 
Isn't that a cute statement?... of course I am joking... I guess.
 
By the way, why people insist in calling Britain the "greatest" Empire? I believe most people that lived in subhuman condition under the palefaces in the Americas, Africa, India, China and everywhere would never agree.
Britain was an empire of palefaces for palefaces, that exploited everyone else. Just be serious. That we admire Milton, Shakespeare, Bacon or Newton won't change that.
 
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  Quote Illirac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Sep-2007 at 18:15
i do not understend why you can not accept thet the British empire was the biggest?
...exactly in "the biggest empire" you refer to land controlled, culturally or tehnologicaly advanced?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Sep-2007 at 14:40
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If the Spanish did not arrive, the Inca woulda beaten the aztecs hands down! Then they woulda taken care of the plains Indians, then Iriqouis federation, then Japan! If you think about it, in a world without guns the Inca woulda been the major world power
 
Yes, Incas could have been beaten Aztecs, actually, because they were very organized.
 
However, we should not forget that Mapuches stopped Inca incursions further South and that Amazonians regularly destroyed Inca attempts to enter the jungle.... And those people also stopped the Spaniards that defeated the Incas.
 
Sometimes, less organized people but more coragious can stop a superpower. That's the theory behind the guerrilla wars.
 
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  Quote Illirac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Sep-2007 at 14:26
the greatest empire was, is, will be: AndorraBig%20smile
 
what abaut USSR?...it controlled a great landmass, had many puppet states and along with US the most thenologicaly advanced
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  Quote Ponce de Leon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2007 at 15:14
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Originally posted by Pretcov

Originally posted by baks

And what about with Mayan Empire? )


The largest pre columbian Empires in the America's would be a interesting topic.







The mayas didn't build an empirewich included all the mayans but only city states with differents zone of influence, many could be clasified as regional powers.


The mayor empire of precolumbianAmrica was the Inca empire in terms of extension, complexity, organizationand power of the state, in terms of population probably the aztec empire.


If the Spanish did not arrive, the Inca woulda beaten the aztecs hands down! Then they woulda taken care of the plains Indians, then Iriqouis federation, then Japan! If you think about it, in a world without guns the Inca woulda been the major world power
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  Quote Illirac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2007 at 08:17
the mongols brought nothing but destruction....the british brought at least some advance...
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  Quote Ikki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Sep-2007 at 14:42
Originally posted by Pretcov

Originally posted by baks

And what about with Mayan Empire? )
 
The largest pre columbian Empires in the America's would be a interesting topic.
 
 
 
 
 
 
The mayas didn't build an empire wich included all the mayans but only city states with differents zone of influence, many could be clasified as regional powers.
 
The mayor empire of precolumbian Amrica was the Inca empire in terms of extension, complexity, organization and power of the state, in terms of population probably the aztec empire.
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  Quote Pretcov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Sep-2007 at 23:44
Originally posted by baks

And what about with Mayan Empire? )
 
The largest pre columbian Empires in the America's would be a interesting topic.
 
 
The British may lay claim to one of the largest colonial Empires, though carving up territory on paper in Europe, rather than conquering the lands is something to consider. 
 
 
 
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  Quote Knights Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 20:14
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Originally posted by Illirac

They had guns....hahaha....so what?....the mongols had horse archer(and europe didn't used them) so they can not be counted?....come on...the British empire controled the most territories then any other empire(it's not important if they fought rabble armies with spears)....
 
You can't compare like this. The british could win so easily with their guns. The Mongols had to face with army which were equiped similarly or more equiped and won battles tactically and with thier strategy.  
and the british  lose a humiliating defeat at the Battle of Isandlwana  Clap
 
the mongol empire came from nothing and the uncivilized mongol tribes succeeded to build the largest contignous empire ever.

In the 19th century, guns used by the average infantryman in the British Army were not automatic, meaning that you had to reload regularly, and it was a rather slow process. (Though not comparable to say 16th century guns). Even if you have a few thousand gunners, and they fire a volley against 20,000 or so Zulus, not all the Zulus will die. Most will remain and overrun the British by sheer volume. Incidently, just because someone has a gun, he can take out 25 other guys, while reloading a few times in between.
In addition to this, many say "The Zulus didn't have any metal weapons". Firstly, many may have. Secondly, it can still easily kill you if you are whacked over the head with a sharp rock or hit in the face with a spear.

You gave one example of a British defeat, and characterised this as the norm. Also, implying that the British did not use strategy or tactics is quite a distance from the truth.

Yes the Mongols carved out the largest empire before Modern times, and yes they did it with amazing ferocity, excellent tactics and superior strategy - I respect them for this. Truly, they were a monumental empire, and they did "come from nothing". But the British Empire too came from nothing - it hasn't just "always existed". Every empire has a beginning.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 18:40
Originally posted by Illirac

They had guns....hahaha....so what?....the mongols had horse archer(and europe didn't used them) so they can not be counted?....come on...the British empire controled the most territories then any other empire(it's not important if they fought rabble armies with spears)....
 
You can't compare like this. The british could win so easily with their guns. The Mongols had to face with army which were equiped similarly or more equiped and won battles tactically and with thier strategy.  
and the british  lose a humiliating defeat at the Battle of Isandlwana  Clap
 
the mongol empire came from nothing and the uncivilized mongol tribes succeeded to build the largest contignous empire ever.
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  Quote Rakasnumberone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Aug-2007 at 02:54
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Mongols still kick British ass anywho!!!!!!!!!!!A united land empire is something else than hundreds of colonies around the world.

On the other hand, if you add the amount of sea controlled by the Brits they kick more ass than the Mongols .


Yeah but the question was placed in the time frame before the invention of the hand held gun, so this disqualifies the British.
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  Quote Surmount Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Aug-2007 at 01:04
The Mongolian empire under Genghis khan and his descendants who ruled was the largest empire of all time. It still hasn't been matched or preceded as far as size.
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  Quote Surmount Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Aug-2007 at 00:30
Interesting Heroi, but can you be more specific on how it was the biggest in human history?

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Aug-2007 at 05:04
and persian empire 11.4 million sq miles
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Rome - In terms of historical significance, legacy and length of time.
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  Quote Dolphin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Jul-2007 at 04:22
Its funny how this topic is one of the biggest on ae, and the person who started it joined that day and never posted again. What an impact  LOL
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