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aknc 
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 Topic: Mustafa Kemal AtatrkPosted: 13-Jun-2005 at 06:18 |
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"I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!"
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Phallanx
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 06:23 |
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Then be so kind and post what is said on page 21 of Chapter 2.
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To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent.
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aknc
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 06:32 |
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that's why i asked....page 21 is the beginning of chapter three in my copy......
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"I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!"
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Phallanx
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 06:37 |
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Every account I've seen mentions p.21 of chapter 2.
Maybe the english edition is different from the turkish one, otherwise I have no explanation. |
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aknc
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 06:40 |
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oh....i see the problem..my edition is english but it has been prinyed by another firm so... what part is it?i will try to find.. |
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Phallanx
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 06:44 |
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"Women, for Mustafa, were a means of satisfying masculine
appetites, little more; nor, in his zest for experience, would he be
inhibited from passing adventures with young boys, if the opportunity
offered and the mood, in this bisexual fin de siecle Ottoman age, came
upon him."
p. 21 "Ataturk" (William Morrow & Company, 1965). |
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aknc
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 06:48 |
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WELL...i can't seem to find it and it sounds like a myth to me..."the lustful turk"....and lord kinross sounds like a man to know such thins....
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Phallanx
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 06:52 |
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You answered in 4 minutes, not much of a search.
To be honest, I didn't expect you to accept it, cause the myth would crash and burn. Anyway, no hard feelings, but I will try to find the whole page and present it. |
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aknc
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 06:55 |
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thanks..but since i have the book under my hand it was not a problem
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aknc
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 06:56 |
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CONGRADULATIONS!!! this was your 500 th post!you are now an emperor
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Phallanx
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 07:04 |
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Thanks
We are talking about the same book right??? The biography by Kinross. |
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 08:49 |
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Wow, this discussion is very interesting... In the first pages, you people were saying Ataturk served Mason purposes, in the following pages, you emposed he was a Jew, and now, you improved your level of imaginary power and you claim he was a gay. I wonder what will you say in the following pages, I am very curious when will you start to sware to him... |
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Seko
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 09:00 |
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Oh don't worry Oguzoglu, they'll come up with something fantastic. I have faith in our collaborators across the Aegean. Afterall, they have already proven that he is guilty by association. He was from Selanik-'guilty', there were Jewish-Moslems in Selanik-'guilty', and maybe he was not just gay but he was also a 'donme' he might have been a transexual also!
 I enjoy a good analysis in the morning when I see one.
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Phallanx
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 11:33 |
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Oguz
Once again you give no attention to what you read. If someone is claiming something that is the authors of Britannica and Lord Kinross. If you have some kind of problem with what you're reading I suggest you inform them, maybe they'll be so kind as to hide the info, so no one will learn what you disagree with. |
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aknc
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 13:48 |
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I am talking about the book ATATURK THE REBIRTH OF A NATION by lord kinross
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Phallanx
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Posted: 13-Jun-2005 at 18:20 |
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Is that the bio??? If not you're looking in the wrong book. |
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aknc
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 03:16 |
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yes yes that is a biography of mustafa kemal
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"I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!"
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Justice
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 03:52 |
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Phalanx mipos borin na kanis Re-Post to site apo to Encyclopedia Britannica sxetika me ton Ataturk.Ton xriazome ..an boris.
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THEY WILL NOT PASS
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baracuda
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Joined: 13-May-2005 Location: Russian Federation Online Status: Offline Posts: 722 |
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 04:09 |
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This topic has turned from an inquiry, to continuous insult of a person who along with many is the builder of modern day Turkey, a former president of my country, it is not, who he is that is important but what he symbolizes, and by judging,falsifying or insulting him constantly is pretty low, to all those blaint greeks here, when burning Izmir was re-taken he refused to step on your flag and picked it up unlike your own people..so show some respect.
Could some moderator close this topic please. |
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aknc
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Posted: 14-Jun-2005 at 04:19 |
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yes,and justiece please translate it
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"I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!"
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