Fayli kurds

"The more funny thing is that you deny all logical sense the other try to enlighten you strictly and without any logical background. Sorry to say that but i think you are a bit close minded."

What are you talking about? I'm open to a federal Iran.

But hey, I don't accuse you for not understanding.

"Anyway, I think at both country a referendum should be made, Then we can learn If kurds want to stay with turkey or iran."

The best idea I've heard so far in months here at Allempires.

Nice Mortaza, I completely agree.

no, i dont think kurds in turkey should be free. i have said that in the kurdistan thread. i just said that they need more rights.

i said that they ened to live in the societies that they are living in now.

OK, what is this? 

Prsn4life, you are a propaganda artist's dream come true, you should really be careful how you word your posts or people will take advantage.

It is not like Kurds are slaves like those of 19th century America, to be set "free"...  Yes and there is a reason Saiwan, gyanem, that most Fayli/Kermanshahi, Southern Kurds and Lors are not separatists - they have not been exposed to the same nationalist brainwashing as you.  as for me, I have not been manipulated by any nationalist propaganda, everything I know I have learned by reading myself and deciding for myself. 

The farthest I would ever go with any region of Iran would be autonomy over culture and perhaps economic and taxation issues to make regions accountable to their elected officials.

No, this is not what you think. You just like seeing Kurds and Iranians divided to help the Turkish cause so you have turned in to Kurd separatist now to trigger that.

Yeah true, If there is a kurdistan both at turkish and iranian land, we would become ally with them, so what you can become ally with them too.  I dont know why do you think, we turks are something like anti-iranian.

remember I also said, Turkey kurds should also choose.

Dont you think kurds at iran wont vote for independence? I have not much suspect about Turkey side.

Let alone having Kurds "freed". Turkey can start by stopping to force the Kurds to deny their mere existence and calling themselves "mountain Turks"

It is an old tale, nothing more. You should update your knowledge.

yea you are right, i didnt type that very well. but what i meant was independent, not that kurds need to be "freed" like they are slaves or something.

Goal has been achieved? What to cause anymosity?

Your lies are baseless.  Everything you say about Persians has been pure lies and propaganda.  If they hold us in so much disdain and ridicule why do they even learn to sing in Kurdish? Why do Persian musicians go to Iraqi Kurdistan and play with and in Kurdish bands? Why do Persian artists sing songs about the Kurds and some of them even sing in Kurdish?

Why did the Iranian exiles in 1981 in their Vienna Republican conference all get up and cheer the Kurdish dancers and band at the end?

Kha-ene.

To donya chawaled kor kerdegas. To hichwakht zejr nakishida. To nazaned maani badbakhti chasa. To bayad chawaled waz bekayed wa waqeiat bined.

I would love too love persians, arabs and turks. It would be a dream to not hate anymore. That for once not think of enemies but think of friends. That would be a dream. To achieve that i, we, the KURDS, need our country, freedom. Redicule what i say how much u want, i really dont care. I will never be able to make u understand. U have never experienced the pain of loosing ppl whome u love. Ur family have never had to pay the bullet that they killed ur uncle with. U have never had a father who had to sit in the jail because of his wish for freedom. When u have experienced the pain, the loss of a loved one then maybe u will understand. These persians have erased our history, the history of iran begins with the persians. It doesnt matter if it is a mulla who rules or a shah. They do what they can to erase our history.

That way they can say they "own" the earth they are living on now, they have been first, so they will have the right to own it also. U cant find any major history books on kurds. why? Were we not there? Didnt our forfathers made their empires? Wasnt they the first to use agriculture? I suppose not, we the KURDS have always been backward. We simply cant have the will of our own, we must be ruled. That is how persians think of the subject. They love to talk about persian empires. In effect one empire hakamaneshian. Iran has been ruled by many. Tell that to a persian, he will be angry!!!!!

the empires that have come and gone in the region has always used the kurds for their courage to keep the borders free from invaders. We have always been there, the warriors that are not scared of anything. Our loyality has become our nemesis. Now after all we have done for the area, we have nothing for ourselfes.

Ppl are prud about their history. Take the turks for example. Their forefathers invaded middled aeast, killed as many as the could, they made new rivers of ppls blood, and that they are proud of. Or arabs, they killed also as many under the pretex that they wante to turn ppl into the new religion (Islam says u are not allowed to make ppl to become muslims by force). They killed and killed. And they are so proud of it.

What have the kurd done? We havent murdered in the way we should have done! We did not betray our allies! And in the present day we dont bomb ourselfes and kill civilians. We do not hijack airplanes and blow it up! Is that why we will never have our country? Because we are noble, and dont kill innocent ppl?

Zagros, the kurds want a country for themselfs, to be able to rule themselfes. We are not sheeps, and dont need to be rueld by others. Is it so hard to understand? Why do we HAVE to be part of IRAN or IRAQ or TURKEY when we can have our country? Are we not able to do that? Kurdistan will become a reality, whether u like it or not. And when there is Kurdistan we dont have to call us iranians or iraki, we will kaal us kurds, plain and simple. 

But i suppose u dont want that happen. Why be free and  think for oneself when other ppl can think for us! Wright?

Wow, you would make a good writer for the PKK website, sahme you can't speak their language though.

My Dad doesn't feel "betrayed" by Persians, stop making up bull---- about things you cannot possibly know, I have said that he has lost hope in Iran because of the Islamists, and he sees hope in Kurdistan, but he is old and being too impatient.

My dad's best friend is a Tork and he has and has had many Persian friends, you know race is not an issue among most Iranians, because unlike you, they are not RACIST.

And who are you to say I am not Kurd?  AT LEAST I WAS BORN IN A PART OF KURDISTAN,  you are Iraqi by all definitions and your knowledge and slander against Iran is a sure sign that you have been brainwashed.

I am not Fars, Kurd, Tork or Lur, I am Iranian - live with it - after you wrote your Fayli there, it just sounds like rural Persian, real Kurdish, like Kermanshahi is not intelligible by Parsi speakers -

I probably have Fayli background, I also have Lori and Persian. My country is Iran, land of all of these tribes.

You are very right, you can't be a kha-en, because you are Iraqi, you took refuge in Iran from Saddam and now you stab your hosts in the back, VERY noble behvaiour.