Greatest Empires

It is here now, and look at it. Look how they treat their women, honor killings etc Yep moving forward.

Back in the day??

What western values back in the day?

@machine

Originally posted by The Charioteer @machine   Im not doubting Asian influence, yet our influence on them in terms of technology is more abundant (think thats the word) The Arabs mmmm are you sure??? I was under the impression that Europeans got the idea for gun powder via Turkey, who got the idea from the Chinese.   Modern thinking, the Japanese did it. Middle East didnt, why?   You are re-assuming your "western" superiority at the same time creating division among other world cultures. typical "Western" modern way.

Machine: You are being very biased and Leonidas has already made a good reply. So I will make this short.

Europe has a very short history. It has only recently ceased to be barbarians roaming through the forests and settled down and become civilised (ie living in cities). In order to do this they had to rapidly advance more often than not taking advances from other civilisations, in fact more often than not taking those advances from middle-eastern civilisation such as Greece, Rome, the Arabs, and the Turks, since these are closest to Europe. (Yes, I count Greece and Rome as middle-eastern civilizations or at the very least middle. They ruled over the middle-east for nearly a millenium they count). Usually when they took an advance, the person who took it gets held up as a great inventor, when really all he did was read a book in arabic. For example I ask, who invented the steam engine?  The usual answer is "Well James Watt did". Actually all James Watt did was invent a valve for the piston. He based his invention off Thomas Newcoms. Steam Engines themselves have been recorded in ancient times, in the middle east. Modern European civilization has built upon the developments of its predeccessors. I realised a couple of years ago that most of what I was taught up till year 10, in maths and science, was discovered during or before the Arab Empire.
To say that 'europe invented it all' is like saying 'my roof magically floats in the air'. You can't build a sky skysraper without concrete.

I suggest when you read this you think about you computer, in its plastic box, made from middle eastern oil, made by chemical (Al-Chemy) engineers, working in refineries. Who studied at universities. Think about your silicon chips, made in muslim Malaysia, your CD-ROM designed by Japanese. Think about the person who assembled the circuit board in Taiwan, and think:
"Thank God the Americans invented the Transistor else we westerners couldn't claim anything"

Sorry no Arab intervention here.

Theres a difference between the crane of old and the crane of new.

Edited by machine - 28-May-2006 at 00:02

Modern technologies are based on Ancient ones. Thats what you don't wana acknowledge, and just claim europeans came up with everything magically. Now stop this nonesense.

omg machine !

The charge from the batteries was so damn low that they couldnt even power a light globe (another European invention). The Baghdad battery was used to fuse gold onto bronze coins.

Edited by machine - 28-May-2006 at 08:31