United States of Europe...?

Originally posted by Adalwolf Originally posted by Christ-Knight Originally posted by Jagiello I don't understand why christ-knight and deserthistorian talk of hatered between US and EU.In my country we look at EU and US as partners both economical and political.If there should be WW3 i can't imagine the US and EU being enemies.US after all can be considered if not a european country at least a very close to Europe country because it was founded by europeans.I don't think the natives are a big percentage in today's US society.The thread is not US vs. EU ,so lets not a few nationalists turn it into that.   yeah but the Brazilians come from Portugal and we do not like very much each other... The US have few natives because in the past they suffer huge massacres... Alamo for example... I like US people and many other things... I can not stand his government ideas... only that.... The Alamo and Indian massacre! For cyring out loud! Learn your history, fool! The Alamo was a group of Texans fighting against the Mexicans when Texas was fighting for indepedence from Mexico! Edit: Have any moderators read Christ-Knights ignorant and bigoted posts?!

wow, how is any of this Us stuff relevant at all?

A United Europe would have far more potential than the US has at the moment. The Euro is fast becomming the most important currency, taking over from the Dollar, which is fading in its dominance. So I think Europe, economically may start to rival the US in the future, depending obviously on the Far east.

Now as for Muslims in Europe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4385768.stm

Here we see that 2 nations in Europe have a majority population of Muslims. 1 other nation has a population of Muslims above 10%. ONE nation has between above 6 %. The rest are 5.8% or below.

There is absolutely no evidence that the 'muslims are taking over' any more than the 'blacks are taking over'. It is just Nationalist ramblings. The main issue here is birth rates. For some reason people appear to mistake FRANCE for EUROPE. France is the only nation in Europe that has any chance of becomming a nation with a majority or significant muslim population in the future. It has approx 8% population of Muslims currently, 30% of which is under 25. There is a lot of POTENTIAL for Muslims to increase their population based upon high birth rates, if they were to continue and French birth rates were to continue to decrease. Especially considering the French population is also ageing. This obviously ignores many factors - how many people integrate, how many people keep their faith, how France reacts socially to increasing muslim birth rates, how muslims react to French culture etcetc. I think its unrealistic to believe that Muslims will be a significant proportion of Frances population in the next 25 years. It will balance itself out fairly quickly.

In most European Nations, however, Muslims do not make up a significant section of the population. They do not have this potential. In Britain there is absolutely no chance.

The Islamic Caliphate of Europe is a ridiculous notion and as was said previously, the Spanish Kingdom of North America is far more likely.

Guys ,calm down.

Where is the majority of KKK? LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL unfortunately it has European origins... but the major activity is in US...
Maybe KKK does have european origins, BUT so does everything else in US. So really US or Americans can't really blame anything on Europeans unless they are ready to thank them also for what they have contributed to making America into what it is today.:P
...Also, the KKK actually began from veterans from the American confederate army.

The first step that must be made, in order to make the US of Europe, is to stop being USA puppets.

Originally posted by Jagiello Not only Silesia and kaszubian are deffinetly polish but a lot of other territories that unfortunately are now either belorussian or ukrainian.

"Litwa to dalszy ciag Polski"

"Lwow! - ktorez polskie serce nie drgnie na to miano"

- Jozef Pilsudski

Originally posted by Jagiello Not only Silesia and kaszubian are deffinetly polish but a lot of other territories that unfortunately are now either belorussian or ukrainian.

Why unfortunate?  They have as much right to be there as anyone else.

Originally posted by sreenivasarao s Originally posted by Sarmata Yes, it is irrelevant  . We have strayed away from Europe. Let us get back to the question whether Europe could be a model for the future? Whether the European attempt to create a multi-lingual, multi-religious, multi-ethnic, political and economic community will succeed? I can say from my Indian experience, Indian society, to some extent, anticipated Europe by a few decades, in the matter of pluralism in religion, language, culture etc.

Yet India is slipping away from that ideal and has done since the beginning. Depending on the region, Muslims are quite often treated unfairly within your system. You also have a fairly unequal culture too - the Rich get it all, the poor get nothing.

I think Europe is a better example of a working economic union than india, basically because it is benefitial to the masses - workers from nearly all sectors.

However, it is the political unity within a federal system that is difficult to found within the european experiment. Basically because Europe gave up on that idea, using the idea of expantionism instead. Probably because it was more profitable to include tiny economic states and reap the benefits from the inequality of the system.

Originally posted by Jagiello Originally posted by Dan Carkner Originally posted by Jagiello Not only Silesia and kaszubian are deffinetly polish but a lot of other territories that unfortunately are now either belorussian or ukrainian. Why unfortunate?  They have as much right to be there as anyone else. Who has as much right to be where?The ucranians have right to be on territories that have been polish for centuries or maybe the bellorusians have right over a land where never in history such a country existed?