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    Posted: 07-Sep-2007 at 17:01
Greece and Italy (Rome)
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Romania & Moldavia
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Scotland and Ireland.
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Spain and Portugal.
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Chile and Argentina
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North Korea and South Korea.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Sep-2007 at 16:09

Originally posted by edgewaters


Well, French and Spanish are very different influences!

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Originally posted by edgewaters


Not to mention that the French in Canada have their own province and are an officially recognized language, which is much different than having a minority group largely dwelling in ghettoes and without any language rights. The Spanish minority in the US just doesn't play the same role in American society that the French do in Canada.

So far. But you will be surprised that the "minority" you are talking about is more than 40 millions already, and will reach 60 millions pretty soon. Quite a lot more than the French in Canada. In fact, more people that the whole Canada. Without counting the Latin Americans that live in Quebec.
Now, for the importance of Hispanics versus Quebecois, it was very shameful once that a Quebec separatists ask Americans why they didn't study French instead of Spanish, because Quebec spoke French! And Americans answer them that in the U.S. Spanish is MORE important. After all Americans have to deal with 40 millions Hispanics in the U.S. and 580 millions Latin Americans!
And not all of them are poor guetto people. In fact, the richest man in the world is Mexican!

Originally posted by edgewaters


It is the nation of the "two solitudes".
I have to say this "no difference at all" idea is often promoted, but if you've really travelled much around both countries, you'd see this is simply not true. Where is Canada's Old South, for instance? Where is the Newfoundland of America? That there are cultural regions which straddle the border - like in the Prairies - is certainly true, but in other areas the culture definately does not straddle the border. Ontario or Nova Scotia is really quite alot different from New York or Massachusetts. Windsor and Detroit, in spitting distance of each other, are really quite different places. Let's say you go boating in the Thousand Islands, and wind up at a town on the banks of the St. Lawrence. If you really couldn't tell which country you were in after a 5 minute stroll around the marina and waterfront, even if there were not flags about, then there can be only one possible answer: you are a Japanese tourist.

About the only similarities that apply across the length of the border are that Canadians and Americans watch the same TV shows in some cases, most of which are also watched by people all over the world. Oh, and they drive the same kinds of vehicles. After that, the idea starts to run out of steam. Languages are not the same; the ethnic mixture is not the same; the accent is not the same; politics and social values are often very very different; the economy and industries are different; the history is different; the products on the shelves and consumer patterns are different; attitude toward other countries is different; the laws are different, the landscape is different, the weather is different even. What's the same again?

This attitude is largely due to the fact that most Americans who visit Canada go either to Toronto (which is very much like an American city, though it is only one of Canada's metropolises and others like Montreal are unlike anything found in the States) or to Alberta, whose inhabitants trip over their shoelaces trying to show how American they are (largely because most of them are, or are descended from, Americans who arrived during the oil boom there). Canada's alot bigger than just Toronto and Alberta!

Canada is not similar to the U.S. that much at all. One in three Canadians, more or less, is East Asian. The United States of America is still more rooted in Europe that Canada, I believe.



Edited by pinguin - 11-Sep-2007 at 16:11
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Originally posted by Halevi

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I still maintain that the most simliarity is likely to be found in the South American countries of Argentina/Uraguay... Ecuador/Peru... etc... or perhaps some of the oceanic island states, although i really cant say for sure...

Well, in certain sense the answer is yes, in other is not at all.
All the countries of South America (except from the Guyanas and Suriname that's other history) share a common Iberian background. However, Brazil was colonized by Portugal and the rest by Spain, so there you find your first difference.
Now, Brazil is a country heavily regionalized. It has a mainly African North East, particularly around Bahia. An Amerindian and Cabloco (Mestizo) Amazonia. And a mainly European south. In the Southern Regions there are similarities with the countries that sourround it.
In Hispanic South America itself, the countries vary a lot. Venezuela is not Colombia. Ecuador is not Peru and this one is not Bolivia. Not only the level of development changes but the ethnic groups as well are different.
For example, Venezuela has a large mulatto minority, but Bolivia is mainly Amerindian. Argentina and Uruguay are similar, but Argentina has a large mestizo and Amerindian minority but not Blacks while Uruguay has a Black minority but not Indians.
Chile is mainly castizo of Iberian extraction, Peru is mainly Mestizo with a Black minority. Colombia is a segregated country where theirs regions have sharp racial constrasts.
In level of development there are huge differences as well. Certain parts of Latin America are at the African level while others are not very different from the U.S. in facilities and development.
Even, the way of life of people and character is quite different from some countries and others. Some dance Salsa all day long; others have a sad and melancolic attitude, some others are Italians in character: like Argentineans.

Similarities between neighbouring regions exist, but South America is a lot less uniform than North America by far. No doubt about it.

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  Quote think Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2007 at 07:33
Ontario or Nova Scotia is really quite alot different from New York or Massachusetts. Windsor and Detroit, in spitting distance of each other, are really quite different places.[quote]

Well i know Detroit has a majority Black population, so comparing them 2 cities isnt really logical. I always thought Detroit was in the South.

[quote]About the only similarities that apply across the length of the border are that Canadians and Americans watch the same TV shows in some cases, most of which are also watched by people all over the world. Oh, and they drive the same kinds of vehicles. After that, the idea starts to run out of steam. Languages are not the same; the ethnic mixture is not the same; the accent is not the same; politics and social values are often very very different; the economy and industries are different; the history is different; the products on the shelves and consumer patterns are different; attitude toward other countries is different; the laws are different, the landscape is different, the weather is different even. What's the same again?


Edgewaters I believe your wrong, due to the fact that im apart of the Anglo crowd, perhaps you are too. The differences between Americans, Canucks, New Zealanders an Australians is nothing more than a cultural thing. Too put it simply there is a common heritage which low an behold is a commonality. Infact even our cultures are not vastly different, jeez man our languages are like different dialects. We look the same, we speak the same language, we all have a common ancestry an we are all colonies.

Edge. Us Anglos were Brothers stop trying to create ridiculous differences between people are pretty much the same.

Whos got more in common an African-American from Detroit, An African from Canada, A whitey from Texas an a Whitey from North Canada LOL


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Who mentioned India and Pakistan? We have little in common with the lads east of Wagha.
 
How about Austria and Germany.
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  Quote think Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2007 at 07:50
Originally posted by edgewaters

Yes ... BC is a classic example, its a distinct region all to itself, unlike anything else within or without Canada. Same can be said for numerous other hugely signifigant parts of the US or Canada, like the South or Newfoundland or Quebec or New York City or Canada's native north or Texas ... the list goes on and on and on. When neither country is anything even close to being homogenous, and neither shares the same mix of unique cultural regions, how on Earth could the two wind up being at all "the same"? It's like taking an apple, a screwdriver, an alarm clock, and a bit of phone cord, dividing them up into two piles, and then saying both piles are the same thing.


Then what is it then that Americans or Canadians have in common with immigrants or the children of immigrants. I guess i see things a little bit differently because its not uncommon for immigrants or 2nd generation immigrants to call themselves by their heritage rather than by their nationality. I guess Nationality means nothing these days, so in that respect Americans an Canadians dont have anything in common, infact Canadians/Americans/Australians dont really ahve much in common with people living on the same land as them.
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  Quote think Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2007 at 07:53
Originally posted by Sparten

Who mentioned India and Pakistan? We have little in common with the lads east of Wagha.
 
How about Austria and Germany.


Well there are commonalities between Indians an Pakistanis in my eyes.
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Spain and Portugal.
 
I agree, but only in the last 120 years. Before the late 19th century they didn't have that much in common. 
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Originally posted by think

Originally posted by Sparten

Who mentioned India and Pakistan? We have little in common with the lads east of Wagha.
 
How about Austria and Germany.


Well there are commonalities between Indians an Pakistanis in my eyes.
For instance. Religion, language, culture is not even common within the two countries, how can it be common with each other.
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Originally posted by Think

The differences between Americans, Canucks, New Zealanders an Australians is nothing more than a cultural thing.

Think, pretty well all differences are nothing more than a cultural thing.
Australians and Kiwis are very close now. But historically they are completely different. Maoris and Aboriginies share almost nothing, other than both being conqured by the English.
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I think it is fair to say Australians and New Zealanders are very close. Up until a few years ago, Kiwis (our colloquial name for New Zealanders) were automatically entitled to welfare benefits upon arriving in Australia - not something extended to any other people. In war, the two nations typically combined forces and served side by side (See campaigns in Dardenelles, Palestine, Western Front, South Pacific, New Guinea and Vietnam War).
 
The Maori aspect of New Zealand is present to a moderate degree, with Maori culture included in sport (see the Haka), the national anthem, and various other media productions involving Maori social interaction and language. But the national language of New Zealand is still English, and a version of English very similar to that spoke in Australia apart from the pronounciation of the sharp "i" and a few slang words.
 
Australia's indigenous culture does not have anywhere near as much influence on mainstream Australian identity and culture as the Maori does in New Zealand. Plus Australia has been more highly influenced by some recent migrant arrivals (such as Vietnamese, or Southern Europeans in the case of Melbourne).
 
The main difference between New Zealand and Australia I think can be summed up as a difference in urbanisation. Australia is extremely urbanised, and as such has more of an urban slant to its culture. But if you go out into the countryside, Australians there are almost indistinguishable from New Zealanders.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2007 at 09:48
Great for Kiwis that are proud of the Maori root of their country... I hope Australians follow theirs example some day...
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Originally posted by Sparten

Originally posted by think

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Who mentioned India and Pakistan? We have little in common with the lads east of Wagha.
 
How about Austria and Germany.


Well there are commonalities between Indians an Pakistanis in my eyes.
For instance. Religion, language, culture is not even common within the two countries, how can it be common with each other.
 
The only one I can think of would be the Punjabi, and other immigrants who fled to Pakistan in the 40s that would have some commonalities with Indian or some parts of India, but not all of Pakistan.
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