Islamic Entitlement

If we're going to talk about money, then I believe the European aid can be seen as compensation for the years of colonialism that exploited natural resources and bankrupted the countries accepting these aids today.

Giving foreign aid doesn't mean you can offend people while doing so.  Try offending the Jewish nation if you can, eh?

People can live without your aid, you know.  Like all other nations, you too are not indispensable.

Originally posted by Mira If we're going to talk about money, then I believe the European aid can be seen as compensation for the years of colonialism that exploited natural resources and bankrupted the countries accepting these aids today.

In such case only France and Britain (maybe Italy and Spain - ???) would be obligued to do that (at least rgarding Arab countries). Why should Sweden or Denmark pay for the French occupation of Algeria and Syria? Why should Germany pay for the British colonization of Iraq and Sudan?

Anyhow, don't mix one thing with the other: is it recieving aid a reason to start insulting threatening the donors. Because, believe it or not, the offended (and agreded) party in all this stupid affair is Denmark and those among us who love freedom.

It's like smashing someone with a steel bar and then asking him to apologize. You're very wrong. You're going to eat that steel bar without any spices.

 

huh!!  i wonder why those who accept european aid accept it form the first place? oh yes "international relations" members of the UN and stuff.

no one is obligated to send "aid" and those countries who are weak and in need for these aid are sometimes Obligated to take "aid" for the good of their people.

and loknar buying your weapons to fight each other isnt Aid its buying and selling. so far the US as per Israeli logic is backstabbing the jews by selling weapons to the Arabs and at the same time selling (or giving) weapons to Israel.

i guess they are thinking "as long as its a good money making business why the hell not?"

and its pathatic to aid someone and insult or provoke him at the same time and expect him to shut up because " we give you aid a****l so shut up and let us insult you as we wish".

also there is no such thing as "good deeds" in international relations, its like our Aid is like a bribe for other things now or in the Future. every pinny is recorded. nothing totally for free.

 

Mira wrote:
" If we're going to talk about money, then I believe the European aid can be seen as compensation for the years of colonialism that exploited natural resources and bankrupted the countries accepting these aids today."
there is 2 levels of exploiting in the M/East. Westerners and those fat arse royals in the gulf states who profit from this 'western' system as much as the west.

They think its their god given right to sell the oil as if its their own, you want to deal with the country saudi arabia you learn the house of Saud is saudi arabia .

If you seek justice, mira then start in arabia-istan, the money made on the interest of their swiss bonds* alone is so great they simply dont know what to do with it all, does 10% go to poor muslim familes? NO

*heresay from a swiss banker i once went to school with


Edited by Leonidas

Originally posted by Richard XIII I want some money from Turkey for 500 hundreads years of Romania occupation. Mira's logic.

Ever notice that logic is a rare commodity here?

 

Originally posted by Loknar No why should Europe give money for its past? Why don�t you give Spain compensation for invading Europe? Why don�t you give the Persians aid for invading their nation? Why don�t you compensate all of North Africa too?

Oh, excuse me, so now it's become a 'past'?  The Holocaust don't seem to fall in that category for some reason, no?  So how do you classify what's "past" and what's not so in the "past"?

Originally posted by Loknar Sure, people can live with out our aid, so why do we give it? I mean, Egypt and Saudi Arabia could build their own M1A2 tanks. I honestly don�t want to give poor nations aid, nor do I want to give a drop to the middle east.

Saudi Arabia is not receiving foreign aid for anything.  As for Egypt, its government is a puppet for the West, and that's the reason it's receiving aid.

You're not the only one giving out aid to foreign countries.  I'm sure you received a lot from the Gulf states after Katrina.  Selective amnesia?

Originally posted by Loknar Yes resources that aren�t oil. Natural gas is very important, which makes me think we should continue protecting the mid east.

Lol, I thought you said you didn't need us?

Originally posted by Loknar You act as if this is a 1 way street. Where would you have gotten your development with out the west's money? The UAE was just build 50 years ago, and who built it on whose money? My guess is it was British.

Lol, the UAE was built 50 years ago?  Where'd you get that from!  The UAE is a 35 year old state.  Your demonstration of ignorance is hilarious.  Keep going!

I'm sorry I will have to disagree with you.  The UAE was built by the neighboring Gulf state of Kuwait.  Our hospitals and schools were all built by the Kuwaitis.  And your guess regarding the British building the country is wrong, I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Loknar Saudi Arabia would be a crap can if we went drilling their (and finding it btw, they sure didn�t find it, we did) oil. Who would give you any money if we didn�t buy your oil? The fact is, Arabia except for the UAE, will become unimportant in the future when we move on from oil. America however will survive.

Look at the chair you're sitting on, and all the stuff you own.  Can you list the stuff that is locally made?  You basically live on Chinese imports.  What are you talking about?

You simply couldn't have progressed yourself without our oil.  If you didn't buy our oil, there would be no use for all the expensive cars you make in the West.

You may ask any of your "experts" about this, or do your own research; the US consumes more oil per capita than any country in the world.  We would have survived selling our oil to the East, just like we survived even before the oil.  We have ports here and open seas; trade is a big thing in this part of the world. 

I thought you'd like to read this little bit of fact:

"Production of pesticides and fertilizers needed to sustain crop yields rely on large quantities of chemicals derived from petroleum. And Stanford University's Amos Nur says China and the United States could "slide into a military conflict" over oil."

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2005-10-16-o il-1a-cover-usat_x.htm

Before making an unrealistic argument, Loknar, you need to get rid of all your industries that rely on petroleum imports.

Originally posted by Leonidas Mira wrote: " If we're going to talk about money, then I believe the European aid can be seen as compensation for the years of colonialism that exploited natural resources and bankrupted the countries accepting these aids today." there is 2 levels of exploiting in the M/East. Westerners and those fat arse royals in the gulf states who profit from this 'western' system as much as the west. They think its their god given right to sell the oil as if its their own, you want to deal with the country saudi arabia you learn the house of Saud is saudi arabia . If you seek justice, mira then start in arabia-istan, the money made on the interest of their swiss bonds* alone is so great they simply dont know what to do with it all, does 10% go to poor muslim familes? NO *heresay from a swiss banker i once went to school with

Agreed.

But I'm not from Saudi Arabia, I cannot speak for them.  If the oppressive Saudi regime is still in there, it's only thanks to its Western allies, who supposedly want to promote "democracy" in the Middle East by supporting such governments.

Originally posted by Mira Originally posted by gcle2003 However, I do think that if you believe people to have insulted and offended you then, honourably, you should refuse to take their money. Please read my response above:  Only five countries in the Middle East receive foreign aid, and I highly doubt they receive anything from Denmark (but I'm just going to assume they do for the sake of the argument.)  What about the other countries?  I think the rest of us have the right to "honorably" express our anger at the Danish offence.

Of course you have. I've never denied it.

All I'm saying, again, is that if you think people have insulted you and offended you then you shouldn't accept money from them. The UAE doesn't, so fine. Iran, Egypt and Palestine do (I don't know who the other two countries are, though I guess I could look it up), so either they should not complain or they should not take the money. Either would be OK.

 

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/trade/files/98-916.pdf

If you scroll down to the top of page 14 you'll find a pie graph that demonstrates the distribution of foreign aid. Theres one representing 1994 and another representing 2004. The middle-east is the majority in both.

Oh, and they're not poor.