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kotumeyil
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Topic: Azerbaijan Turk in Russian army in anatolia Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 08:30 |
Originally posted by mamikon
Originally posted by Mortazaa
I dont know why russian army treated so harsh at eastern anatolia. I am from trabzon, and I heard from my elders, Russians did not treat bad to turks.
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They are treated harshly because otherwise the pseudo-historical claims that Armenian and Russians massacred 1 million muslims during WWI would not make any sense (not that they do anyway)
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My elders from Erzurum told that Russians treated them well while Armenian gangs tortured and killed Muslims. It's obvious that people who lived together can develop much more hatred towards each other than any foreigners..
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Kerimoglu
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Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 09:02 |
I also mean Turks in world history - pg 142 and 148
Go and read
Yeah well, there is a criticsm but in lots of places it blames Haydar thats what i mean
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mamikon
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Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 10:57 |
Fair enough, I will. But will you also read the book I recommended? You will find it to be much more extensive
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Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 12:18 |
But lets not forget that teh tsarist imperial army is diffrent than the communistic crimson army.
There policy towards other people are quite diffrent I think
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Kerimoglu
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Posted: 20-Mar-2007 at 01:27 |
Ok, I am already searchin for the book u told. Thanks for that.
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Posted: 02-Apr-2007 at 04:07 |
Originally posted by Zagros
Azaris were historical enemies of Osmanli, Osmanli invaded Iranian Azarbaijan in WW1 and commited much atrocity - so maybe they wanted revenge. |
Offff without knowing anything please stop talking nonsense or give us sources. What does it mean historical enemy? Anatolian Turks and Azeris are the same people. The only difference they are predominantly Shia but Anatolian ones are predominantly Sunnis. And now we do not give any credit this stupid Shia-Sunni division.
"30-31 March 1918: The massacre of about 20,000 Azerbaijanis in Baku is perpetrated by the Russian Red (Communist) Army and Armenian Dashnaks. 28 May - Azerbaijan declares independence and announces the creation of the Azerbaijani Democratic Republic (ADR) - the first secular and democratic state in the Muslim world. The first Cabinet of Ministers is formed under the Prime-Minister Fatali-khan Khoyski. 4 June The Peace and Friendship Agreement is signed between the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic and Turkey. Establishment of Turkish Military Mission in Ganja. 15 September Baku is liberated from Dashnak Armenians and Shaumyans communist armed formations. Joint Azerbaijani and Turkish troops enter Baku. The capital of Azerbaijan is moved from Ganja to Baku. 7 December The opening session of the Parliament of Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. "
SOURCE : Embassy of the Republic of Azerbaijan
There is a Azeris-Turkish song for it as well about to liberation of the Baku (capital of Azerbaijan) by the Turkish army in 1918. It is a very popular song among the nationalists in Turkey now.
What atrocity, what revenge are you talking about Zagros? You have to improve your intellectual capacity or revise your sources of information. In addition to this, there is not a place called Iranian Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan is Azerbaijan.
Edited by Alparslan - 02-Apr-2007 at 04:11
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Posted: 02-Apr-2007 at 04:56 |
Originally posted by AlpArslan
30-31 March 1918: The massacre of about 20,000 Azerbaijanis in
Baku is perpetrated by the Russian Red (Communist) Army and Armenian
Dashnaks |
What? The Dashnaks organized the Armenians to fight against the Soviet invasion of Armenia in the 1920's, and their political party was banned in the Soviet Union,
as their ideology of a free and independent Armenia directly
contradicted the Soviet status quo.... funny how you're telling Zagros
to "stop talking nonsense or give us sources".
Originally posted by AlpArslan
SOURCE : Embassy of the Republic of Azerbaijan |
Ah yes, the chief authority of knowledge of Dashnak-Soviet relations
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Posted: 02-Apr-2007 at 05:30 |
Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival
Originally posted by AlpArslan
30-31 March 1918: The massacre of about 20,000 Azerbaijanis in Baku is perpetrated by the Russian Red (Communist) Army and Armenian Dashnaks |
What? The Dashnaks organized the Armenians to fight against the Soviet invasion of Armenia in the 1920's, and their political party was banned in the Soviet Union, as their ideology of a free and independent Armenia directly contradicted the Soviet status quo....
Originally posted by AlpArslan
SOURCE : Embassy of the Republic of Azerbaijan |
Ah yes, the chief authority of knowledge of Dashnak-Soviet relations |
We are talking about the year 1918 in WWI, not 1920's after the war and not Soviet period.
What do you know about Armenian activities in Azerbaijan during WW1? Why did Russians support Armenians and how?
I think it is a very simple question. (be careful; during WW1).
Map of "Greater Armenia" in the National History Museum. "This is what we used to be"
The Capital of Azerbaijan is included in "Greater Armenia". Your National History Museum tells us a lot what was your intentions about Baku and in a broader point of view about Turks in WW1.
Edited by Alparslan - 02-Apr-2007 at 06:19
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Posted: 02-Apr-2007 at 06:48 |
Originally posted by Alparslan
The Capital of Azerbaijan is included in "Greater Armenia". Your
National History Museum tells us a lot what was your intentions about
Baku and in a broader point of view about Turks in WW1. |
I dont know how good you are at geography....but if you look closer at
the map, Bake is actually not included in Greater Armenia. Moreover,
its in a museum
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Posted: 02-Apr-2007 at 17:04 |
Originally posted by AlpArslan
We are talking about the year 1918 in WWI, not 1920's after the war and not Soviet period |
Yes, we are talking about 1918, less than a year after the Russian
army withdrew from the Caucasus to participate in the Russian
Revolution....
Either way, it does not change my point that the Dashnaks are
politically and ideologically enemies of Communists (since you claimed
that Dashnaks collaborated with the Red Army). Dashnaks support a free
and independent Armenia, and nothing else. This is a complete
contradiction of the ideology supported by the Red Army. They were such
enemies that there were many Dashnak Armenians from Iran, Lebanon, etc,
who did not support Armenia in any way during that era simply because
it was a Communist state. The Dashnak party itself was banned by the
Communists, and had to keep itself alive through the Armenian diaspora.
Thats why your claim that Dashnaks collaborated with the Communists for
anything is complete hogwash.
Originally posted by AlpArslan
What do you know about Armenian activities in
Azerbaijan during WW1? Why did Russians support Armenians and
how? |
I obviously know enough to know that the Russian army wasn't in Armenia or Azerbaijan in 1918.....
Originally posted by AlpArslan
The Capital of Azerbaijan is included in "Greater Armenia". Your
National History Museum tells us a lot what was your intentions about
Baku and in a broader point of view about Turks in WW1 |
Baku is not included in the borders of Greater
Armenia. Moreover, as mamikon cleverly pointed out, its in a history museum. Those are the historical borders of Armenia (political and cultural borders) throughout at least 2,500 years of history.
If an Istanbul museum has Ottoman maps showing the entire middle
east as Turkish territory, does that mean that Turks have imperialistic
aims towards Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, etc? Do you realize how
ridiculous that sounds?
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