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    Posted: 06-Jun-2006 at 17:59
Originally posted by Giannis

Are Roma people and gypsies the same race?
 
Basically yes, although it seems a bit more complicated than that. The term "Roma" applied for all Gypsy people is not without controversy amongst the Gypsies themselves. I believe there are some tribal differences, however most of the Gypsy community in Central Europe call themselves "Roma" and the term is now in Germany, at least,  used as the official designation of their community, as the word "Zigeuner (=Gypsy)" is understood as insulting.
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With one exception.
 
Irish Gypsies are not Roma and only took to the road about two centuries ago. As far as I know they are only found in Britain and Ireland.
 
Generally speaking Irish gypsies have a worse reputation than Roma ones, see the movie Snatch.
 
Also there's a lot of prejudice towards them by Roma gypsies who are very snooty towards them and think of them as imitation gypsies. A couple of months ago in the uk there was a big confrontation when a groups of Roma and Irish gypsies moved into adjacent campsites, shooting broke out and someone was killed.


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I also heard that gypsies are of Egyptian origin (egyptian-gypsy), it makes some sense.
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Irish gypsies make headlines most romas dont, also the demeanor of the former is one that radiates volatility and caution, a personal observation. Although i admit i haven't met any Roma.
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Originally posted by Giannis

I also heard that gypsies are of Egyptian origin (egyptian-gypsy), it makes some sense.

 
The Roma, without any doubt, stem from the Indian sub-continent, and not from Egypt.
Europeans, not knowing where they came from, called them "gypsies" as that was probably the most exotic location they could imagine, in the same way the bird "turkey" got its name in the English language.
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Gigi, one of my best friends said: "They're talking too much!!!". He's a G/rR or whatever but most of all he wants to be considered a human being. Just like we others do. He's bearing a darker skin than mine but he surely wears a pale complection when compared to my frien Badinga, from Congo.
Are they a bunch of outlaws? Some of them certainly are, bug that doesn't mean that we are saints?.
My opinion is that they are just misunderstood, and they are bearing this lot for some centuries. I guess it's time for us to share that lot too.
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I started a thread on their origins here and will add more research later
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Gypsies are great, they live a non-materialistic life, love singing, dancing, the arts and are real contributers to culture.   Their laid back, relaxed approach to life is the way it was meant to be.

We just can't tolerate them because were trapped in the system, like controlled robots who believe that success = money and working 9-5 like programmed robots taught not to question and think about the system just accept it and condemn anybody who doesn't.

Gypsies are free, we are trapped, that's the reality and all this racism and bigotry against them stems from not being able to accept differences.
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Originally posted by Bulldog

Gypsies are great, they live a non-materialistic life, love singing, dancing, the arts and are real contributers to culture.   Their laid back, relaxed approach to life is the way it was meant to be.

We just can't tolerate them because were trapped in the system, like controlled robots who believe that success = money and working 9-5 like programmed robots taught not to question and think about the system just accept it and condemn anybody who doesn't.

Gypsies are free, we are trapped, that's the reality and all this racism and bigotry against them stems from not being able to accept differences.

 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Jun-2006 at 00:57
So gypos are wandering nomads who steel and Roma Gypsies are the ones from India????
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Originally posted by Machine

So gypos are wandering nomads who steel and Roma Gypsies are the ones from India????

They certainly are renowned for their metal working skills.

Gypsies are a fascinating people. A migratory nomadic people who moved into an area and managed to co-exist with the original inhabitants. Thats pretty rare.
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Yes but what i mean Omar is have they mixed in with the European population like the Jews.
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Gypsies are a fascinating people. A migratory nomadic people who moved into an area and managed to co-exist with the original inhabitants.


I think is fascinating when somebody from far read about them but it's not very pleasantful to meet or live among them. I live in a neighborhood dominated (like most of Bucarest perhaps) by them and this is my opinion. Nobody says something else.


They are no more migratory, lost their language. Some are rich, live in palaces (new built residences or old residences bought in the select areas of the cities) but the most are very poor and live very unigienical.

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They certainly are renowned for their metal working skills.
 
That is true, there were weapon masters at ottomans and They were also stonemasters. Techonolgy destroyed most of their jobs.
 
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Originally posted by Mortaza

They certainly are renowned for their metal working skills.
 
That is true, there were weapon masters at ottomans and They were also stonemasters. Techonolgy destroyed most of their jobs.
 


Yeah, they still visit my village to sell metal stoves like this one
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Irish gypsis are trouble makers!
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Originally posted by Komnenos

Originally posted by Giannis

Are Roma people and gypsies the same race?
 
The term "Roma" applied for all Gypsy people is not without controversy amongst the Gypsies themselves. I believe there are some tribal differences, however most of the Gypsy community in Central Europe call themselves "Roma" and the term is now in Germany, at least,  used as the official designation of their community, as the word "Zigeuner (=Gypsy)" is understood as insulting.


In greek there are two words.
"Tsigani">atsigani>athigani>a(not)+thigano(touch)
possibly the german "zigeuner" is connected to this.

and (more insulting)
"Gyfti">egyftii>egyptii (Egyptians) =gypsies
probably by the color of their skin-also "gyfti" were called the swordsmiths.(cause of the dirt makes their skin darker)

I wonder about the etymology of the name they use to describe themselves:Roma
Does it mean anything in their indian/pakistani dialect,
or it is connected with Rome again somehow:

Romans=citizens of the city of Rome
Romji=Greek orthodox / Romani'a=Byzantium
Romanians=Wallachians,Moldavians,Transylvanians
Sultanate of Rum=Seljuks of Asia minor
Rum=name of greek cypriots and greek of Constantinople by the Turks
Holy Roman Empire
-----etc etc etc (well..a prestigious name! Smile)




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A sample of Gypsy music from Bulgaria. It is in the Gypsy language, which I do not understand (does anybody here understand it?).

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