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QuoteReplyTopic: Liberalism & atheism linked to higher IQ's Posted: 15-Mar-2010 at 17:42
Above you wrote; "@ Opuslola, YOU HAVE COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT! Costa Rica is a developing country, NO ONE DENIES THAT.... the point that article is making is that Limbaugh said he would move to Costa Rica if Health Care Reform passed in this country, YET COSTA RICA IS A SOCIALIST COUNTRY.
Regarding the video: are you trying to say that the video is doctored? IS THIS FOOTAGE NOT REAL? Who cares who filmed it, their stupidity or ignorance remains. I thought the questions regarding the czar's were hilarious!
Everything seems to go over your head..."
Yeah, I am seven feet six inches tall! Almost everthing "goes over my head1" laugh! But TGS, and I am getting tired of placing the letter "G" for "Great" in your name, because it seems you must have failed "reading comprehension?" or you might well have caught my words above?
"Gee, the VID is made and supported by a group called "The New Left Media!" Wow, who woulda thunk it? I must realize that since they call themselves "New Left" that they are "non-partisan", and thus came to the "tea party" to support their preconceived ideas.
I would suppose that if the "New Left" had a big rally in DC, and a news man or woman from the "New Right" came and interviewed the participants, we might have a similar result?"
Do you "comprehend" now? Do you believe you only viewed "Un-edited" video? Are you that stupid? If not, then you know that any three or five minute video, (originally consisting of hours of tape) can be edited to make a point for or against a side!
Secondly, these are every day normal Americans who, most likely, have never been video-taped and interviewed by a so called "newsman!" Perhaps you have and are ready for what ever questions are asked, but not the average person!
As a matter of fact, I would suspect that every one there expected to be interviewed only by news-persons favorable to their side!
There you are, happy and excited, and suddenly a camera and a new-person with a microphone starts asking questions! Would you also "choke?"
You really do not know, until you become the subject!
I've seen it, when even so called "polished" politicans "step on their penis!" Laugh!
As regards posts made by TGS indicating that higher IQ's vote Democrat, that is an "urban legend", or more correctly an "Urban myth creation" that has existed for a long time.
Please see this from an old post on this very site;
Like a lot of the ideas that TGS spouts here, it is mostly propaganda, inspired by the Left, and deciminated my the Left!
And, if it is believed by the Left, then they show themselves to be "elitists", "racists", and "regionalists!"
Oh hell, this is the entire post!
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Have you ever seen the websites showing that the information about the average state IQ and the way the states voted was actually a hoax? There's actually quite a few. Here are a few.
I am not sure and Iran has many ethnic groups but I read he was Iranian but maybe his family came from outside of Iran.
Some states have really good plans like Washington State; it is paid by a sin tax on tobacco and alcohol. The plan has various private carriers and it is supplemented by the state. You pay according to your income and the co-payments depend on the health insurance you pick. It is a good idea and I support this but not Fed control. Read the Tenth Amendment, it is a violation of state rights. The idea that it will be illegal for me not to have it is also unconstitutional. There will be challenges to it on the basis of freedom of religion. Obama has excluded the Amish and Christian Scientist from it but I am sure there will be other challenges.
I suggest looking up the case about the THE SCHECHTER BROTHERS and how FDR's regulation were in excess of Congressional power under the commerce clause of the Constitution. The edict by FDR violated their Jewish Kosher laws so they won and the US government lost. Could Federal control over healthcare also be challenged under the same clause? Time will tell.
We need change but who were pay for it? How will this impact businesses and employment? The tax will cut back on profit and force some companies to lay off, in a time when jobs are a premium.
I am not sure what the solution is but it is not Obama care.
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"Malpractice litigation
The extra cost of malpractice lawsuits are insignificant proportions of health spending in both the U.S. (0.46%) and Canada (0.27%). In Canada the total cost of settlements, legal fees, and insurance comes to $4 per person each year, but in the United States it is $16.[99] Average payouts to American plaintiffs were $265,103, while payouts to Canadian plaintiffs were somewhat higher, averaging $309,417.[100] However, malpractice suits are far more common in the U.S., with 350% more suits filed each year per person.[99] While malpractice costs are significantly higher in the U.S., they make up only a small proportion of total medical spending. The total cost of defending and settling malpractice lawsuits in the U.S. in 2001 was approximately $6.5 billion, or 0.46% of total health spending.[99] Critics say that defensive medicine consumes up to 9% of American healthcare expenses.[101][102] In the same year in Canada, the total burden of malpractice suits was $237 million, or 0.27% of total health spending.[99]"
Thus defensive medicine "consumes up to 9% of American health care expenese", in Canada it only consumes 0.27% of Canadian health care expemses!
Duh! It's the lawyers! Perhaps Shakespeare had it correct, E.g. "first, kill all of the lawyers!"
Next, since the second term used in the title of this series of posting is the word "atheism", I just wondered why no one, not even the instigator of this section, has mentioned it?
I have but a little story to say about "religious" organizations,which are mostly feared like a bad nightmare by the "progressive" and "liberal" sections of America, and how they managed to do things that our "all powerful federal government" could not do!
I need only point you to the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina! While my extended family and I rode out this monster hurricane in my home near the ocean, we were well prepared, and we had provisions for a three or more day ordeal, when we were assured Federal aid would be available. But, after three days the only "Federal Aid" we were to see, was the construction of a band of concertina wire (barbed wire) along the railroad tracks behind my home, and the concentration of armed troops guarding the openings in the wire!
We soon found out that we were considered to live in a "Dead Zone!", and no! aid would be soon forthcoming! All slavation existed "North of the Railroad!" We were even informed by the "Federal Troops" lining the barbed wire railroad, that the troops had been told that "everyone South of the tracks, were either dead, or diseased!"
Wow! What a wake up call from our government, that was just here to "help us!" We were told, that if we left, we would not be allowed to return to our own homes until Federal Authorities told us we could! Since I was somewhat better armed than the troops manning the line, I merely laughed at them! How dare any Army toops deny me the right to enter and leave my own home whenever I chose to do so!
For those of you who live in nations where the above actions can happen almost anytime, I will tell you that it mostly does not happen in my part of the USA, in any event! I could not be mad at the troops since I knew they were only following orders! And, I also knew that very few of them would really interfere, if and when I chose to leave and then return!
But, to make a long story short, I would just like to say, that "without" the actions of a bunch of Protestant and Baptist, and other demominations (outside of the Roman Catholic Church or the Church of England and its American counterpart, and Jewish Charities, and Moslim Charities, etc.), we would have had problems in the weeks following the storm!
Note, we had "no electricity, no water, no ice, no police presence, and looting happened way to often!" And the last two items, I.e. "no police" and "looting" was the major reason that I decided to stay and keep my home and neighborhood safe!
Thus, after the storm, and the implementation of the "barbed wire", etc., we often depended upon one or the other of "faith based" groups, who gave up their time, their money, and followed the tenants of their faith, which was "to help others in need!" Since there existed no Roman Catholic's performing these acts of charity, nor no Jewish Charities having a presence, and of course no Muslim Charities, or Hindu, or Buddist Charities, or "Pick one from column 1", then we were able to make do, without "any" Federal Aid! Thus, there were "no" Federal or State" places to obtain food, etc.!
Thus, we owe a great deal to those religious organizations which most "progressives" and "Liberals" and all "socialists" and "facists and "communists", fear the most!
The groups that did the most good for the victims of Hurrican Katriana, were those who were members of "conservative", "faith based", "Christians!", and no one else!
So, take your pick? Pick the "government" who did little or nothing for weeks, or pick your radical Christian neighbors from hundreds of miles away who never asked for your religious feelings, nor tried to "preach" to anyone, but who did, what they believed God told them to do, that is "Help one another!" A very "Christian" attitude!
Since there existed no Roman Catholic's performing these acts of charity, nor no Jewish Charities having a presence, and of course no Muslim Charities, or Hindu, or Buddist Charities, or "Pick one from column 1", then we were able to make do, without "any" Federal Aid! Thus, there were "no" Federal or State" places to obtain food, etc.!
Any chance that Catholic, Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist organizations contributed and were visible relative to their percentage of the local population?
Originally posted by opuslola
Take this post as you will!
The assetion that only evangelical Christian charities are in action and that catholics, Buddhists, Muslims etc and the government do nothing is about as objective as.....
"Atheists have higher IQs than religous believers."
Comprehensive health care reform will cost the federal government
$940 billion over a ten-year period, but will increase revenue and cut
other costs by a greater amount, leading to a reduction of $130 billion
in the federal deficit over the same period, according to an analysis by
the Congressional Budget Office, a Democratic source tells HuffPost. It
will cut the deficit by $1.2 trillion over the next ten years.
The source said it also extends Medicare's solvency by at least 9
years and reduces the rate of its growth by 1.4 percent, while closing
the doughnut hole for seniors, meaning there will no longer be a gap in
coverage of medication. The CBO also estimated it would extend coverage
to 32 million additional people.
The Second Bill of Rights was a proposal made by United States PresidentFranklin D. Roosevelt during his State of the
Union Address on January 11, 1944 to suggest that the nation had
come to recognize, and should now implement, a second bill of rights. Roosevelt did not argue for any change to
the United States Constitution; he
argued that the second bill of rights was to be implemented politically,
not by federal judges. Roosevelt's stated justification was that the
"political rights" guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved
inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness." Roosevelt's
remedy was to create an "economic bill of rights" which would
guarantee:
Roosevelt stated that having these rights would guarantee American security,
and that America's place in the world depended upon how far these and
similar rights had been carried into practice. Later in the 1970s, Czech
jurist Karel Vasak would categorize these as the ‘second generation’ rights
in his theory of three generations of human
rights.
The "second Bill of Rights" was advanced by the Democratic Party in the 1970s and 1980s as well. Funding those "rights" inevitably requires various wealth re-distibution schemes that deteriorate into socialism.
In the end, there is not that much extra wealth to redistribute and socialism inhibits the creation of new wealth. The only countries that can afford those "rights" are oil funded Gulf Arab nations.
With the exception of medical care, those concepts cannot be "rights" in the USA.
The Second Bill of Rights was a proposal made by United States PresidentFranklin D. Roosevelt during his State of the
Union Address on January 11, 1944 to suggest that the nation had
come to recognize, and should now implement, a second bill of rights. Roosevelt did not argue for any change to
the United States Constitution; he
argued that the second bill of rights was to be implemented politically,
not by federal judges. Roosevelt's stated justification was that the
"political rights" guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved
inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness." Roosevelt's
remedy was to create an "economic bill of rights" which would
guarantee:
Roosevelt stated that having these rights would guarantee American security,
and that America's place in the world depended upon how far these and
similar rights had been carried into practice. Later in the 1970s, Czech
jurist Karel Vasak would categorize these as the ‘second generation’ rights in his theory of three generations of human
rights.
Interesting and thanks for posting this. I never heard of this but it would be interesting to look at. I do believe in a social safety net for people who are not able to find work, who cannot work, too old, etc. But, I don't believe in supporting lazy people who don't want to work. Over the years I have met people like this and some, I knew of, collected support and secretly worked under the table, it is called fraud.
When it comes to rights though I believe no one owes me anything but in a civil society helps those who are having a hard time. When it comes to Obama care my question is who will pay for it?
How many businesses will lay off people or not hire new employees once they face the Obama care tax. Companies are out for profit and if they have to pay another tax it could force some to lay off. Also taxes force them to raise their prices which could force more companies to outsource or insource jobs. I believe the biggest worry, in our country, is not healthcare but the economy and jobs.
How many pages are in the Obama care plan? Can you really say one can know what is in the whole package? (average American) Even many of our representatives don't know, they should know since they represent us. How can they not know the details of a Bill that will have such an impact on the American people, good or bad?
I have only read small bits of it online and I would love to see healthcare. I knew of someone who died of cancer because they did not have medical insurance. But, if they had checked with Washington State they had an good state sponsored alternative called GUA. The state would have paid for his treatment but sadly he did not know this and died at 19 or 20. The cancer hit him quick and he died but he no doubt had it a while. My ex-girlfriends mother died from Cancer suddenly but the state took care of all the costs.
I think this applies because certain elite think the masses are too stupid to take care of themselves. Labeling conservatives as having a lower IQ is very arrogant and a bit of a supremist attitude. New word- Conservatvophobic
The nanny state needs to meet all our needs! Afterall, any intelligent person should know this!! Since most conservatives don't agree with this they are deemed less intelligent. Education is empty if it is not intertwined with wisdom. There are plenty of fools who are both educated and not out there.
Speaking of work I need to get back to it.
Edited by eaglecap - 18-Mar-2010 at 10:29
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While I doubt the following is a real site, I would like to show it here since in most appearences it really shows my opinion of the President and his administration!
So, here goes!
"IACOCCA SPEAKS OUT ON OBAMA
IACOCCA SPEAKS OUT ON OBAMA
Just as true today as it was when his book first came out.
He was, and still is, a brilliant businessman!
Often we need to be reminded of Iacocca's words.
Remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from its death throes? He's now 82 years old and has a new book, 'Where Have All The Leaders Gone?'.
Lee Iacocca Says:
'Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage with this so called president? We should be screaming bloody murder! We've got a gang of tax cheating clueless leftists trying to steer our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even run a ridiculous cash-for-clunkers program without losing $26 billion of the taxpayers' money, much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'trust me the economy is getting better.'
Better? You've got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned, 'Titanic'. I'll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the Democrats out along with Obama!'
You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore.
The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs.. While we're fiddling in Afghanistan , Iran is completing their nuclear bombs and missiles and nobody seems to know what to do. And the liberal press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the ' America ' my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?
I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have. The Biggest 'C' is Crisis! (Iacocca elaborates on nine C's of leadership, with crisis being the first.)
Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crises. It's easy to sit there with thumb up your butt and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.
On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A hell of a mess, so here's where we stand.
We're immersed in a bloody war now with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. But our soldiers are dying daily.
We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the world, and it's getting worse every day!
We've lost the manufacturing edge to Asia , while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs.
Gas prices are going to skyrock again, and nobody in power has a lucid plan to open drilling to solve the problem. This country has the largest oil reserves in the WORLD, and we cannot drill for it because the politicians have been bought by the flea-hugging environmentalists.
Our schools are in a complete disaster because of the teachers union.
Our borders are like sieves and they want to give all illegals amnesty and free healthcare.
The middle class is being squeezed to death every day.
These are times that cry out for leadership.
But when you look around, you've got to ask: 'Where have all the leaders gone?' Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.
Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo?
We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.
Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping the government will make it better for them. Now, that's just crazy. Deal with life.
Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, look what Obama did about it!
Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debit, or solving theenergy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.
I have news for the Chicago gangsters in Congress. We didn't elect you to turn this country into a losing European Socialist state. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on NBC or CNN news will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change?
Had Enough? Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope - I believe in America . In my lifetime, I've had the privilege of living through some of America 's greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises: The 'Great Depression,' 'World War II,' the 'Korean War,' the 'Kennedy Assassination,' the 'Vietnam War,' the 1970's oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years since 9/11.
Make your own contribution by sending this to everyone you know and care about. It's our country, folks, and it's our future. Our future is at stake!!
***********************************
LET'S GET THE MUSLIM ROOKIE OUT OF THE WHITEHOUSE!!!"
OK, I will not really go with the term "Muslim Rookie!"
These people are sheep, everything they are saying is exactly alike, its obvious they are being brainwashed by the narrative spewed by Fox "News" and the Republican Party, two of the most fascist organizations in the United States.
EDUCATED YOURSELVES! EVEN IF YOU WANT TO BE AGAINST HEALTH CARE, DONT BE DUMB ABOUT IT, KNOW YOUR REASONS AND KNOW THE FACTS!
Tea Baggers insult Congressmen, call them faggots and Niggers
Teabaggers: "Barney, You Faggot!"
At the
behest of wingnut Rep. Steve King (R-IA), teabaggers are flooding
the office buildings of Congress today. And things are getting very
ugly.
Things seem to be
getting pretty heated in the Capitol with crowds of anti-Reform/Tea
Party activists going through the halls shouting slogans and epithets at
Democratic members of Congress. As our Brian Beutler reports, a few
moments ago in Longworth office building, a group swarmed a very calm
looking Henry Waxman, as he got on the elevator, with shouts of "Kill
the bill!" "You liar! You crook!" Not long before, Rep. Barney Frank
got an uglier version of the treatment. Just after Frank rounded a
corner to leave the building, an older protestor yelled "Barney, you
faggot." The surrounding crowd of protestors then erupted in laughter.
At one point, Capitol police officer threatened to throw a group of
protesters out of the building but that only seemed to inflame them
more; and apparently none were ejected.
None were
ejected. After calling a member a "faggot" they still got to stay.
Unbelievable.
UPDATE: The
teabaggers also called Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) the
n-word.
Rep.
Andre Carson (D-Ind.) claimed Saturday that healthcare protesters at
the Capitol directed racial epithets at Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) as he
walked outside. Carson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus
along with Lewis, told The Hill that protesters called Lewis the N-word.
Tea Party protesters held a rally outside the Capitol on Saturday,
which included speeches by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and actor Jon
Voight, and then proceeded into the halls to lobby members at the 11th
hour.Lewis was one of the leaders
of the civil rights movement alongside Martin Luther King. Jr.
Tea Partiers Heckle Dems With Racist, Homophobic Slurs
Tea Partiers protesting the health care bill in Washington hurled
racist and homophobic epithets at two Democratic congressmen and spat on
a black Democratic legislator prior to President Obama's speech before
House Dems on Saturday afternoon.
Rep. John Lewis was called "the N-word" when he was on the floor of
the House earlier today by "a heckler from the Tea Party, a protester,"
Kristie Greco, a press secretary for House Majority Whip James Clyburn,
said this afternoon. Another protester spat
at Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, another black Democrat, as he was walking
from the Longsworth House building to attend Obama's speech. In a
separate incident, Rep. Barney Frank, who is openly gay, was called "faggot,"
also as he was leaving the Longsworth building.
...
Clyburn suggested, however, that he and his colleagues were not
surprised that such racist sentiments were behind some of the public
outrage against the Democratic health care bill.
"A lot of us have been saying for a long time that much of this is
not about health care at all. And I think that a lot of people out there
today demonstrated this," Clyburn said at the Capitol Vistors Center
after the speech, where protesters continued to shout "vote no" at the
passing members of Congress. Rather, he explained, the protesters'
opposition was in reaction "to extend a basic fundamental right to
people who are less powerful."
Wikipedia says that the meaning of "faggot" is this!;
"The word meaning "bundle of sticks" is ultimately derived, via Old French and Italian, from Latin fascis (also the origin of the word fascism).[7]"
So, it is most obvious that those hecklers (if there really were any?) were merely calling the congressman a "facist!"
Makes sense to me!!
You really should stop "flaming" this list TGS! It might well be called "trolling?"
But, who am I to complain?
The "truth" sometimes hurts in a "free" society? Thus if you were a "straight" congressman, would you be harmed materially or morally or intellectually if a bunch of agitators called you a "Woman lover?", or a "Straight?"
All they did, it seems, is call the congressman a "Man lover!", as he readily has admitted that he is! Or am I wrong? Has he not admitted that he is "GAY?" (homosexual!)?
"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never harm me!"
A good thought, and one you should well consider, as should the good "gay" (Happy?) congressman?
I really think that it is his "lisp" that bothers me the most?
THE GOP AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT - CHANGE OR MOVE INTO THE DUST BIN OF HISTORY
An open letter to conservatives
March 22, 2010, 3:16PM
Dear Conservative Americans,
The years have not been kind
to you. I grew up in a profoundly Republican home, so I can remember
when you wore a very different face than the one we see now. You've
lost me and you've lost most of America.
Because I believe having responsible choices is important to
democracy, I'd like to give you some advice and an invitation.
First,
the invitation: Come back to us.
Now the advice. You're going
to have to come up with a platform that isn't built on a foundation
of cowardice: fear of people with colors, religions, cultures and
sex lives that differ from your own; fear of reform in banking, health
care, energy; fantasy fears of America being transformed into an Islamic
nation, into social/commun/fasc-ism, into a disarmed populace put in
internment camps; and more. But you have work to do even before you
take on that task.
Your party -- the GOP -- and the conservative
end of the American political spectrum has become irresponsible and
irrational. Worse, it's tolerating, promoting and celebrating prejudice
and hatred. Let me provide some expamples -- by no means an exhaustive
list -- of where the Right as gotten itself stuck in a swamp of
hypocrisy, hyperbole, historical inaccuracy and hatred.
If you're
going to regain your stature as a party of rational, responsible people,
you'll have to start by draining this swamp:
You can't flip out when the black president
bows to foreign dignitaries, as appropriate for their culture, when you
were silent when the white presidents did the same. Bush.
Nixon.Ike. You
didn't even make a peep when Bush held
hands and kissed (on
the mouth) leaders of countries that are not on "kissing terms" with
the US.
If
you push anti-gay legislation and make anti-gay speeches, you should
probably take a pass on having gay sex, regardless of whether it's 2004 or 2010.
This is true, too, if you're taking GOP money and giving anti-gay rants on CNN.
Taking right-wing money and GOP favors to write anti-gay
stories for news sites while working as a gay prostitute, doubles
down on both the hypocrisy and the prostitution. This is especially
true if you claim
your anti-gay stand is God's stand, too.
When you chair the
House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children, you can't send sexy
emails to 16-year-old boys (illegal anyway, but you made it
hypocritical as well).
You can't praise the Congressional
Budget Office when it's analysis produces numbers that fit your
political agenda, then claim it's unreliable when it comes up with
numbers that don't.
You can't vote for X under a
Republican president, then vote against X under a Democratic
president. Either
you support X or you don't. And it makes it worse when you change
your position merely for the sake obstructionism.
You
can't demand everyone listen to the generals when they say what fits
your agenda, and then ignore
them when they don't.
You can't whine that it's unfair when
people accuse you of exploiting racism for political gain, when your
party's former leader admits
you've been doing it for decades.
shout
"baby killer" at a member of Congress on the floor of the House,
especially one who so fought against abortion rights that he nearly
killed health care reform (in fact, a little decorum, a little respect
for our national institutions and the people and the values they
represent, would be refreshing -- cut out the shouting,
the swearing and
the obscenities);
call
a majority vote the "tyranny
of the minority," even if you meant to call it tyranny of the
majority -- it's democracy, not tyranny;
call the president's
support of a criminal trial for a terror suspect "treasonous" (especially
when you supported the same thing when the president shared your
party);
You cant repeatedly assert that
the president refuses to say the word "terrorism" or say we're at war
with terror when we have an awful lot of videotape showing him repeatedly assailing
terrorism and using those exact words.
If you're going to
invoke the names of historical figures, it does not serve you well to whitewash them.
Especially this one.
You can't say things that are simply and
demonstrably false: health care reform will not push
people out of their private insurance and into a government-run
program;
health care reform (which contains a good many of your ideas and
very few from the Left) is a long way from "socialist
utopia"; health care reform is not "reparations";
nor does health care reform create "death
panels".
call people racists without
producing a shred of evidence that they've said or done something that
would even smell like racism -- same for invoking racially charged "dog whistle" words
(repeatedly);
So, dear
conservatives, get to work. Drain the swamp of the conspiracy nuts, the
bold-faced liars undeterred by demonstrable facts, the overt hypocrisy
and the hatred. Then offer us a calm, responsible, grownup agenda based
on your values and your vision for America. We may or may not agree
with your values and vision, but we'll certainly welcome you back to the
American mainstream with open arms. We need you.
(Anticipating
your initial response: No there is nothing that even comes close to
this level of wingnuttery on the American Left.)
Some of the images from the run-up to Sunday’s landmark health
care vote in the House of Representatives should be seared into the
nation’s consciousness. We are so far, in so many ways, from being a
class act.
A group of lowlifes at a Tea Party rally in Columbus, Ohio, last
week taunted and humiliated a man who was sitting on the ground with a
sign that said he had Parkinson’s disease. The disgusting behavior was
captured on a widely circulated videotape. One of the Tea Party
protesters leaned over the man and sneered: “If you’re looking for a
handout, you’re in the wrong end of town.”
Another threw money at
the man, first one bill and then another, and said contemptuously, “I’ll
pay for this guy. Here you go. Start a pot.”
In Washington on
Saturday, opponents of the health care legislation spit on a black
congressman and shouted racial slurs at two others, including John
Lewis, one of the great heroes of the civil rights movement. Barney
Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat who is chairman of the House Financial
Services Committee, was taunted because he is gay.
At some point,
we have to decide as a country that we just can’t have this: We can’t
allow ourselves to remain silent as foaming-at-the-mouth protesters
scream the vilest of epithets at members of Congress — epithets that The
Times will not allow me to repeat here.
It is 2010, which means
it is way past time for decent Americans to rise up against this kind of
garbage, to fight it aggressively wherever it appears. And it is time
for every American of good will to hold the Republican Party accountable
for its role in tolerating, shielding and encouraging foul,
mean-spirited and bigoted behavior in its ranks and among its strongest
supporters.
For decades the G.O.P. has been the party of fear,
ignorance and divisiveness. All you have to do is look around to see
what it has done to the country. The greatest economic inequality since
the Gilded Age was followed by a near-total collapse of the overall
economy. As a country, we have a monumental mess on our hands and still
the Republicans have nothing to offer in the way of a remedy except more
tax cuts for the rich.
This is the party of trickle down and
weapons of mass destruction, the party of birthers and death-panel
lunatics. This is the party that genuflects at the altar of right-wing
talk radio, with its insane, nauseating, nonstop commitment to hatred
and bigotry.
Glenn Beck of Fox News has called President Obama a
“racist” and asserted that he “has exposed himself as a guy, over and
over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or
the white culture.”
Mike Huckabee, a former Republican
presidential candidate, has said of Mr. Obama’s economic policies:
“Lenin and Stalin would love this stuff.”
The G.O.P. poisons the
political atmosphere and then has the gall to complain about an absence
of bipartisanship.
The toxic clouds that are the inevitable
result of the fear and the bitter conflicts so relentlessly stoked by
the Republican Party — think blacks against whites, gays versus
straights, and a whole range of folks against immigrants — tend to
obscure the tremendous damage that the party’s policies have inflicted
on the country. If people are arguing over immigrants or abortion or
whether gays should be allowed to marry, they’re not calling the G.O.P.
to account for (to take just one example) the horribly destructive
policy of cutting taxes while the nation was fighting two wars.
If
you’re all fired up about Republican-inspired tales of Democrats
planning to send grandma to some death chamber, you’ll never get to the
G.O.P.’s war against the right of ordinary workers to organize and
negotiate in their own best interests — a war that has diminished
living standards for working people for decades.
With a freer
hand, the Republicans would have done more damage. George W. Bush tried
to undermine Social Security. John McCain was willing to put Sarah Palin
a heartbeat away from the Oval Office and thought Phil Gramm would have
made a crackerjack Treasury secretary. (For those who may not remember,
Mr. Gramm was a deregulation zealot who told us during the presidential
campaign that we were suffering from a “mental recession.”)
A
party that promotes ignorance (“Just say no to global warming”) and
provides a safe house for bigotry cannot serve the best interests of our
country.Back in the 1960s, John Lewis risked his life and endured
savage beatings to secure fundamental rights for black Americans while
right-wing Republicans like Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were
lining up with segregationist Democrats to oppose landmark civil rights
legislation.
Since then, the right-wingers have taken over the
G.O.P. and Mr. Lewis, now a congressman, must still endure the garbage
they have wrought.
THE GOP AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT HAS NEVER DONE A SINGLE GOOD THING FOR AMERICA. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE FORCE FOR WAR AND TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH, IRRESPONSIBLE MANAGEMENT OF POLITICS AS WELL AS THE ECONOMY. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS DESTROYED THIS NATION AND FOR DECADES HAS GOTTEN IN THE WAY OF ANYONE TRYING TO MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR DO DAMAGE CONTROL.
TGS, I thought copy and pasting entire posts was not an acceptable way to do things? But, perhaps it is OK since you have done so?
Wonder rants at conservatives, and I always enjoy the comments of progressives / Marxists who constantly use perjorative terms like "Ignorant" or "Ignorance", or "racist" or "sexist" or "homo-phobic", or "undermine Social Security", or?
Well just let my use the copy and paste example found in your copy and past above;
"Now the advice. You're going to have to come up with a platform that isn't built on a foundation of cowardice: fear of people with colors, religions, cultures and sex lives that differ from your own; fear of reform in banking, health care, energy; fantasy fears of America being transformed into an Islamic nation, into social/commun/fasc-ism, into a disarmed populace put in internment camps; and more. But you have work to do even before you take on that task.
Your party -- the GOP -- and the conservative end of the American political spectrum has become irresponsible and irrational. Worse, it's tolerating, promoting and celebrating prejudice and hatred. Let me provide some expamples -- by no means an exhaustive list -- of where the Right as gotten itself stuck in a swamp of hypocrisy, hyperbole, historical inaccuracy and hatred.
If you're going to regain your stature as a party of rational, responsible people, you'll have to start by draining this swamp:"
Yes, with feelings like those above, there is good reason for conservatives to "get on the band-wagon" with you and sing "Kum Bah Yah", along with Joan Baez, and Peter,Paul and Mary! Yes, peace and love! What good times those were? Yes indeed! Lots of good dope, hallucogens, lots of sex, lots of sexually transmitted diseases, defending Mao, Pol Pot, Che', Castro", etc.!
Oh, I forgot, they mostly also hated the USA!, and especially our young men and women who served and sometimes fought in Viet Nam!
Hey let's all buy a German made van, and paint flowers all over it?
Flunk out of school and get a "draft notice!", no problem just go to friendly Canada, they just seemed to love Americans there!
Let's see, I graduated High School in 1964, and finally college in 1969! So, i'd guess that you would say that I have no reason for my statements above? After all what could a conservative know about "peace and love", etc.?
If I remember correctly one slogan of our Air Force, was "Peace is our Profession!", so I'd guess that, "War was their Avocation?"
While I do not agree with your views of our current world, I do support your "Unalienable" right to speak them! And, any attempt by anyone either foreign or domestic to take away that right, would temp me to take up my "Advocation!"
Yes, these words also copy and pasted from above,(well not really) does quite well describe myself and others of like thinking, I beleve the words were; We have "become irresponsible and irrational. Worse," we have become "tolerating, promoting and celebrating" in our defense of "prejudice and hatred.!"
Yeah, I just love "tolerating, promoting and celebrating...prejudice and hatred!" Maybe there exists a church in Chicago where I can become a member and learn to "Love one another?"
It's hard for me to look at myself in a mirror!
Wait, everything in a mirror is "reversed", that must really be you in there? chuckle!
I am not a Republican, so I will not defend them but there is hypocrisy on both sides. You cannot be human without some hypocrisy in your life.
I learned an old wise proverb, "Whenever you point the finger at someone you have three pointing back at yourself.
Both parties are full of double standards if you watch current events.
Remember, to error is human!!
A higher IQ without wisdom means nothing. I have know my share of really smart friends who lacked common sense.
In a concentration camp people of faith are more likely to survive because they have hope in a Deity. I heard some of the studies of people who survived the NAZI concentration camps, not just Jews.
I wonder if these kinds of studies make some feel superior to their fellow man.
Since the Tea Party people have less of an IQ their opinions somehow does not count as much as some Atheist with a superior intellect.
Seems like the same conclusion Hitler came up with concerning the Jews, Slavs, Gypsies and other unwanted groups.
It stinks of arrogance and a superiority complex in my humble opinion.
Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
Eaglecap, and I like what appears to be your new "Greek" looking Icon! However it could represent the national costume of numerous states in the Balkans, and surrounding area?
But, I am not really a Republican, I am first and foremost an "American!", and I have to choose from two forms of "hypocriscy!" And, in essence, it is the Repubilcan party of the last 50 years or so that most likely represents my side! Oh! Yes, I have also supported "Libertarians" in the past also, but even on the local level, I just cannot vote for a Democrat! So, locally, I ususally don't vote at all since many of the best candidates are so "named!"
The last candidate that I "really supported" on the National level was; AU-H2O-64! Laugh! But, what could I do? I wasn't even old enough to vote then! But, I did work on the campaign!
Eaglecap, and I like what appears to be your new "Greek" looking Icon! However it could represent the national costume of numerous states in the Balkans, and surrounding area?
But, I am not really a Republican, I am first and foremost an "American!", and I have to choose from two forms of "hypocriscy!" And, in essence, it is the Repubilcan party of the last 50 years or so that most likely represents my side! Oh! Yes, I have also supported "Libertarians" in the past also, but even on the local level, I just cannot vote for a Democrat! So, locally, I ususally don't vote at all since many of the best candidates are so "named!"
The last candidate that I "really supported" on the National level was; AU-H2O-64! Laugh! But, what could I do? I wasn't even old enough to vote then! But, I did work on the campaign!
Regards,
My parents were old style Republicans and I have, somewhere in storage, a Goldwater election button that had belonged to my parents. My parents loved Reagan, but I know they would have been disapointed with both Bush sr and jr if they were still alive. My father was still alive for the first year or two of Bush Sr.
My sister somehow turned liberal but that is her right, we just avoid politics.
Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε
I am not a Republican, so I will not defend them but there is hypocrisy on both sides. You cannot be human without some hypocrisy in your life.
Yes, ofcourse, by all means, START POSTING ALL THE NEGATIVE THINGS YOU CAN ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, that is, if you can find enough information.
Funny how almost every scandal we hear of taking place in Washington involves Republicans, whether its adultery, homosexuality, sexual harassment, corruption, etc... wasnt it just a few years ago that dozens of Republican's were found out to be involved in a corruption scandal?
Originally posted by eaglecap
I learned an old wise proverb, "Whenever you point the finger at someone you have three pointing back at yourself.
Not all proverbs are true, and this one has many faults in its reasoning.
Originally posted by eaglecap
Both parties are full of double standards if you watch current events.
True, Democrats are dont have the "balls" to fight back against the Republicans as hard as they are fighting against rationality and knowledge.
Originally posted by eaglecap
A higher IQ without wisdom means nothing. I have know my share of really smart friends who lacked common sense.
Very true! Which is why we have so many educated Conservatives's who lack common sense!
Originally posted by eaglecap
In a concentration camp people of faith are more likely to survive because they have hope in a Deity. I heard some of the studies of people who survived the NAZI concentration camps, not just Jews.
Certainly, this is very believable and it makes a lot of sense. Those who have hope generally strive to live longer, those who see no point in continuing with their misery tend to die sooner, this makes sense.
You know, I've always wondered, why do the people with the lowest standard of living in the world today keep striving the live? I'm talking about the lowest of the low? Wow, religion is an absolutely amazing human invention, it controls people to the point that it dictates to them when they can die.
Originally posted by eaglecap
I wonder if these kinds of studies make some feel superior to their fellow man.
They certainly do, religious people often feel more superior to non-religious people, but this has nothing to do with statistics or facts, it has to do with their own delusion that they have a god on their side, and non-believers dont.
Originally posted by eaglecap
Since the Tea Party people have less of an IQ their opinions somehow does not count as much as some Atheist with a superior intellect.
OF COURSE NOT! in what world would a person with less intelligence be more reliable than someone with more intelligence? You yourself would never take financial advice from someone with no knowledge of the market, would you? You wouldnt want your children to be taught math by someone who knows nothing about math, would you?
Intelligence > ignorance. Fact. Try arguing against that one buddy. Work hard, get an education, youre likely to be successful. dont work hard, remain ignorant, work at job paying minimum wage. Thats life.
Originally posted by eaglecap
Seems like the same conclusion Hitler came up with concerning the Jews, Slavs, Gypsies and other unwanted groups.
It stinks of arrogance and a superiority complex in my humble opinion.
No, not at all, Hitler thought that blue eyed blonde haired people were naturally superior to all people, it had nothing to do with level of education. Nice try, but this conservo-fascist trend of using Hitler is dying out, think of something new.
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On a separate note, a political party and movement made up of over overwhelmingly rural white people will not survive in a country that is majority urban and one which will be a majority minority nation in a few decades.
get over it, if you guys want to survive, adapt to a changing world. But you wont, and this is why progressivism ALWAYS wins out over conservatism.
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