Aryan Indians

From what i've seen on the internet, a lot of afghans seem to think that the Pashtuns of Pakistan are fake. That couldn't be farther from the truth. People in FATA(tribal areas), Northern Areas, and the rest of NWFP and even Balochistan are Pure pashtun(thats an oxymoron right there :p ) dont have anyone to mix with except for the Hazaras maybe but they tend to be shias while most Pashtuns are sunni so that's close to impossible.

It's the Pashtuns living in larger cities who are more likely to be mixed but then again even the urban dwelling Pashtuns are very conservative and tend to marry amongst themselves much like other ethnicities of Pakistan.

As far as the last name Khan, if you are going to assume that all Khans are Pashtun or "fake pashtuns" then thats not a very good idea because that surname is used from Afghanistan to Uzbekistan to Indonesia. And Germany too if you count the word "Kahn"

Pakistan and India aren't ethnicities. As for being on par with them for the % of light eyes(imo the percentage of blond hair is farrrrr too less to consider) then i'd say Pakistan has more just because Pakistan is mostly Punjabi, Pashtun, Sindhi, Kashmiri, Baloch and Muhajir. Northwest India might be comparable to the eastern half of Pakistan in terms of ethnicity and looks. 

I smell BULLsh*t.

Every single person that i know who has travelled extensively in South Asia has told me that people in the Northwest are lighter skinned than average and i'd rather believe people who have travelled extensively and physical anthropologists rather than a person like you.

And white people aren't worshipped in India. Many Indians say that white people are unclean or that they smell bad. Get off your high horse. While you may think Indians love white people cuz of their light features they actually prefer the bollywood types that are Nordindid rather than European whites who are too pale according to most indians. In Pakistan people with freckles are considered hideous and everywhere in South Asia people with light coloured eyes are considered cunning and stuff by the older generation at least.

I don't know about him but if you see me arguing about stuff like that then it's because i want to get rid of the misconceptions people have about South Asia. Some people on the internet say stuff like "aishwarya Rai doesnt look Indian she looks greek or italian"  when apart from her light pigmentation(which btw is fairly common in her community of Coorgis on the Mangalore Coast) she has classicaly indian features: huge eyes, aquiline nose(slightly hooked), rounded face and full lips. And then there are people who say that light skinned Indians only exist because of the British

Again, your use of the term Nordindid is wrong. The perfect example of a nordindid is a Punjabi.
Pashtuns are Irano-afghan. I asked a person who's quite an expert on this stuff(pm me and i'll tell you who) and he told me that nordindids and Irano afghans are pretty similar but Irano-afghans tend to be lighter in pigmentation on average and they have more pronounced features such as the straight long convex nose etc.
 
 If you're thinking Nordindid refers to people with light skin and light eyes then you're wrong. It just describes a certain morphology/features. Pigmentation comes second.
 

I've heard some places that Kapoors are Pathans while some sources say that they are Punjabi.

Besides the filmstar Kapoor family there's also Sanjay Kapur, the man Karisma Kapoor married and he's a Punjabi sikh so that tells me that Kapurs are Punjabi. Or they could be Pashtuns who settled in Punjab and became known as Punjabi overtime(as with tons of people in Punjab).

For example, people with the surname Butt in Pakistan. They are originally Kashmiri but now most of them are known as Punjabi because they have been in Punjab for generations.

Agreed. Hrithink Roshan, Akshay Kumar and many other indian stars are Hindu Khatris. 

True again.

wrong. Khan, Singh and Sharma are names that dont have much significance but names like Kapoor, Afridi and Durrani show ancestry and heritage.

Yes there are muslim patels from Gujarat but Punjabi Patels don't exist.

people everywhere discuss light skin and light eyes simply because most humans are superficial and they love talking about looks. What's with the racial slurs?

Never ever have i seen a Pakistani IN REAL LIFE claim to be descended from Arabs. Yes persians but that's debatable since many persians DID settle in the Deccan plateau.

and besides  Spaniards look down upon people from Latin America even though most of them are of Spanish ancestry. I dont see ur point.

There are many arab people who still settle in Pakistan even though people don't know about it. The former Miss Pakistan is of first generation lebanese-palestinian descent because her parents settled in Pakistan and now she's engaged to a Pakistani.

so its unfair to say that all pakistanis who claim to be part arab are lying. Personally i know a half kuwaiti girl, a half saudi girl and a half syrian boy and i've seen their parents so i know they're not lying.

No, most people in Himachal Pradesh are lightskinned. See Preity Zinta who is fairer than most indians but very very typical for Himachal Pradesh in terms of her pigmentation. But then even Preity zinta is considered swarthy by European standards if that's what you're comparing her to.

If you disagree with this, then you're disagreeing with most racial experts.

http://www.flonnet.com/fl2024/images/20031205005501603.jpg
Most people would classify the men in these pictures as Nordindid especially the two in the back right and the one with the glasses.

She is VERY typical of Coorgis from the Mangalore coast. Just as Imran Khan isn't typical for Pakistanis in general but he's quite typical for Pashtuns see what i'm getting at?

i agree there's not one Indian look but then i know most people agree that indians have big eyes.

Her nose is very typical of Coorgis. Coorgis are different looking than the rest of South India as i've mentioned before.

You have a very stereotypical view of indians. These girls are much more attractive than the general population but they do have indian features and like i said indian features can mean practically anything. Besides, the last girl is a normal girl not an actress who happens to have those features that you think are reserved for bollywood.

Sooo many generalizations. Take the example of Udita Goswami, now you might think she doesn't look the least bit indian but go to Assam or Manipur and she'll fit right in.

The states of Orissa 36,804,660, Assam 26,655,528,  Meghalaya 2,318,822,  Nagaland 1,990,036,  Manipur  2,166,788,  Arunachal Pradesh 1,097,968,  Sikkim 540,851 and signicant numbers of people in West Bengal, Himachal Pradesh, Uttaranchal have mongoloid features. so those features are hardly uncommon. The mongoloid look is as indian as anything else.

Same with someone like Aishwarya Rai, her look might be uncommon for India but take a trip down south to Coorg and you'll see many lookalikes. One of my friend said that Aishwarya isn't as pretty as other Coorgi girls who have similar features.

Saying someone doesnt look indian is like saying someone doesnt look American. An indian-american is as american looking as an american of anglo descent or an african american.

I'd say Persians brag the most ;)

lolz ok i'll summarize.

First, the majority of Indians are brown skinned, brown eyed and black haired.

1)since the original poster asked, i believe the lightest indians are punjabis of Greater Punjab, Coorgis, kashmiris, konkanis, chitpavans and brahmins from everywhere. Also people from the northeastern states have light skin combined with oriental features. Lightskinned or even light eyed people aren't very uncommon in those communities.

2) Pakistan and part of India(the northwest) have a similar history. So saying all indians are like all Pakistanis is a generalization. For ex. a paki from punjab or NWFP has nothing to do with a bengali or a person from Orissa.

3) People of Greater Punjab, kashmiris, konkanis, chitpavans, Coorgis and brahmins from everywhere are Nordindid. Nordindid isn't the same as irano-afghan although it's very similar. So nordindids dont form 0.000001% of India as some people like to claim.

4) Still, other ethnicities of India can have light skin or light eyes too just like a punjabi can be darkskinned too.

5) Blond hair doesnt exist in India

6) The percentage of light eyes in the groups i mentioned isnt as less as some people are saying.

7) Indo-aryan is a term coined by the CIA which means NOTHING.

8) Pathans=pashtuns=afghans.

9) People in the northwest subcontinent are not indigenous to India. They are descended from various invaders and settlers.

10) People in bollywood(aishwarya and Hrithik included) look more indian than anything else(besides maybe afghan or pakistani). So saying that they are some sort of foreign nordic looking ppl is wrong.
Also, they might not look like the typical indian but they are fairly typical for their communties. Amrita Rao looks like any other Saraswat Brahmin, Aishwarya Rai is just another light eyed Mangalorean, Aditi Govitrikar and Madhuri Dixit look like other Chitpavans etc.

11) There isn't just one indian look. Oriental looks are as indian as the brown skinned, big eyed look that people say is stereotypically indian.